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From: Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible to keep /all/ the heading properties in one place?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:26:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oab4sw70.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878u283n15.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:03:18 +0100")

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Because not everything is a node property.

This shouldn't prevent us from keeping things that /are/ node properties
all in one place.

> TODO keywords, tags and properties are all different, and blurring the
> distinction between them would not make Org easier. Note that Org
> doesn't force you to use any of them.

I would most definitely make Org easier in some respects. Suppose a
person wants to parse an Org file's content, just for displaying it on a
website (like Github does right now). If all properties were in a single
place, they could be trivially skipped with a regex, resulting in an
almost ASCII-like export of the Org file.

> CLOCK cannot be located within PROPERTIES drawer because it not
> a key-value association. You can have multiple clocks with different
> values.

:LOGBOOK: could be the key, and all of its contents would be the value.
Same thing with putting :TAGS: into :PROPERTIES:.

> SCHEDULED and DEADLINE could have been moved within PROPERTIES drawer.
> It was even discussed a couple of times on this ML. However, Carsten
> decided to keep them separated, mainly because such an important
> information should not be hidden in the document, in particular for
> newcomers. I still agree with him.

Could we have an option to customize this? Just declare a standard
getter and setter interface for :SCHEDULED: and :DEADLINE:. I'll
customize them in my config to put them in the :PROPERTIES: drawer.

Here's another idea for the :PROPERTIES: drawer that might make things a
lot less hairy - make it fully in Lisp:

    (properties
     (scheduled [2016-02-25 Thu])
     (id ca23d969-d189-4d38-aee3-aa21feb5b305)
     (logbook
      (clock [2016-02-25 Thu 15:03])
      (clock [2016-02-25 Thu 14:33] [2016-02-25 Thu 14:58])
      (clock [2016-02-25 Thu 13:24] [2016-02-25 Thu 13:49]))
     (added [2016-02-25 Thu 11:24]))

I think it would greatly enhance the parsing of Org files, and simplify
many functions in org.el. With this, a simple `read' will suffice to
parse all the stuff.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-25 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-25 10:59 Is it possible to keep /all/ the heading properties in one place? Oleh Krehel
2016-02-25 13:37 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-25 13:46   ` Oleh Krehel
2016-02-25 14:03     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-25 14:26       ` Oleh Krehel [this message]
2016-02-25 16:52         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-25 18:21           ` Eric S Fraga
2016-02-26 16:35             ` Rasmus
2016-02-28  9:35               ` Eric S Fraga
2016-02-28 11:32                 ` Rasmus
2016-02-28 12:44                   ` Eric S Fraga
2016-02-28 16:46                     ` Rasmus
2016-02-28 17:05                       ` Eric S Fraga
2016-02-25 19:17           ` Oleh Krehel
2016-02-25 20:16             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-26  8:18               ` Oleh Krehel
2016-02-28  8:59                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-28 12:17                   ` Oleh Krehel
2016-02-28 16:34                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2016-02-29 10:05                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-29 13:42                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2016-02-29 15:00                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-29 13:53                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-29 15:05                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-29 17:57                         ` Revisiting moving manual to Org (was: Is it possible to keep /all/ the heading properties in one place?) Kyle Meyer
2016-02-29 17:17                       ` Is it possible to keep /all/ the heading properties in one place? Achim Gratz
2016-02-29 18:01                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2016-02-29 18:47                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2016-02-25 17:47 ` Michael Brand

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