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From: Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>
To: Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl>
Cc: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>,
	"emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>,
	Takaaki Ishikawa <takaxp@ieee.org>,
	"Berry, Charles" <ccberry@ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: function for inserting a block
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:35:55 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o9o815ck.fsf@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADn3Z2KP9Xy_CT7Xa166BGSzS1cVtSswS1_MeNCOGMoH-14CRQ@mail.gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:55:59 +0100")

Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:

> I have always come down on the side of NOT breaking backward
> compatibility unless we really HAVE TO in order to make progress. The
> reason for this bias is because most Org users are not reading this
> maling list and just want the system to function and to continue to
> function the way they are used to, while it is hopefully improving. It
> will stop them from upgrading if such breakage happens too often.
>
> So I would support reimplement the expansion (including
> org-try-structure-completion for people who use that in custom code),
> if possible of course on the back of one of the built-in expansion
> systems in Emacs, before pushing this change out in a release. I would
> certainly reimplement this in some way for myself, because using these
> abbreviations is already hardcoded in my spine, I think.

I agree. I support removing redundant code behind the scenes, but I also
think we should preserve backwards compatibility in the user interface.
A fair number of people around here have been using Org Mode for more
than a decade, and, for better or for worse, everything about the user
interface is now hardwired in their brains. 

In short, we have a time-saving expansion system that works well for
lots of people. I support re-implementing it on top of another snippet
engine but also leaving it in place until a suitable replacement is
ready.

Matt

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-12  4:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-03  0:25 function for inserting a block Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-03  2:21 ` Adam Porter
2017-09-03  3:06   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-09-03  3:34     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-03  8:10 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-09-03  8:19   ` Adam Porter
2017-09-03  8:23     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-09-03 15:56   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-03 18:31     ` Josiah Schwab
2017-09-03 19:28       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-03 20:26         ` Josiah Schwab
2017-09-03 20:44           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-08 18:52     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-10 12:44       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-09-10 18:39         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-09-29 20:09           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-09-30 20:26             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-05 14:47               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-07 20:03                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-14 10:52                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-16 19:46                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-16 19:59                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-17  7:46                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-17 16:27                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-17 21:33                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-17 21:43                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-17 22:03                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-18  6:45                                 ` Carsten Dominik
2017-10-18 14:58                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-19 15:47                                     ` Carsten Dominik
2017-10-20 18:04                                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-20 18:39                                         ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-20 19:02                                           ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-20 21:15                                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-20 21:13                                           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-20 21:43                                             ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-21 11:30                                               ` Xebar Saram
2017-10-21 11:59                                                 ` Marco Wahl
2017-10-21 13:32                                                   ` Xebar Saram
2017-10-21 15:56                                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-23 10:52                                               ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-23 14:00                                                 ` Carsten Dominik
2017-10-23 14:46                                                   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-23 15:11                                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-23 16:55                                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-24  0:18                                                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-24  0:20                                                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-24 12:10                                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-28 22:27                                                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-30 11:05                                                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-30 15:08                                                             ` Eric S Fraga
2017-10-30 16:22                                                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-10-30 17:57                                                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-05  9:06                                                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-05 14:24                                                                   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-11-05 14:37                                                                     ` Kaushal Modi
2017-11-06 13:48                                                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-06 16:23                                                                         ` Kaushal Modi
2017-11-05 21:25                                                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-12-10  9:36                                                           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2017-10-22  9:54                                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-10-22 17:49                                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-08 11:20                                                 ` Bastien
2017-11-08 11:44                                                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-08 12:14                                                     ` Bastien
2017-11-08 12:25                                                       ` Restore old easy template feature (Re: function for inserting a block) Kaushal Modi
2017-11-08 12:43                                                         ` Kaushal Modi
2017-11-08 14:08                                                           ` Bastien Guerry
2017-12-18 22:07                                                             ` Matt Price
2017-12-19  1:44                                                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-12-19 10:04                                                               ` Rasmus
2017-12-19 17:49                                                                 ` Matt Price
2017-11-08 13:35                                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-08 13:34                                                       ` function for inserting a block Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-08 14:34                                                         ` Bastien Guerry
2017-11-08 16:01                                                           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-08 16:33                                                       ` William Denton
2017-11-08 14:07                                                     ` Rasmus
2017-11-08 17:09                                                       ` Berry, Charles
2017-11-08 17:28                                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-08 18:24                                                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2017-11-08 18:51                                                           ` Takaaki Ishikawa
2017-11-08 20:10                                                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-08 22:28                                                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-11-09  4:31                                                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2017-11-09  7:55                                                                 ` Carsten Dominik
2017-11-12  4:35                                                                   ` Matt Lundin [this message]
2017-11-12  6:08                                                                     ` numbchild
2017-11-09 14:46                                                               ` Rasmus
2017-11-09 16:11                                                                 ` Rasmus
2017-11-09 16:50                                                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-10  9:31                                                                     ` Rasmus
2017-11-10 17:27                                                                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-11 16:51                                                                         ` Thomas S. Dye
2017-11-14 21:36                                                                           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-15 13:13                                                                             ` numbchild
2017-11-15 16:24                                                                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-17 16:19                                                                                 ` numbchild
2017-11-17 19:14                                                                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-18  0:09                                                                                     ` numbchild
2017-11-20 13:40                                                                             ` Rasmus
2017-11-20 16:49                                                                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-11-11  4:13                                                                       ` stardiviner
     [not found] <mailman.107.1510246818.12116.emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
2017-11-10  4:19 ` James Harkins

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