From: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:57:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8tuyelh.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k14i7r0s.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:30:59 +0100")
Hi Nicolas,
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> This is not a good default, at least for beginners, because Org provides
> a better solution out of the box. There are also better solutions
> outside Org (e.g., Yasnippet).
Well, let's agree to disagree on this one.
org-tempo and C-c C- fill two different use cases: the first one for
fast block insertion while typing, the second one for e.g. when the
region is selected.
I don't think allowing org-tempo "shadows" C-c C-, in any fashion.
> It is only valuable for existing users, who relied on this feature, and
> don't want to switch. It's perfectly understandable, but it is also fair
> to assume they can add (require 'org-module) to their own configuration.
> _Removing_ the module, OTOH, is subtle.
M-x customize-option RET org-modules seems okay to me.
> By the way, this does not belong to the same category as other
> defcustoms discussed. This is only tangential to "how does Org should
> look and feel by default". It relates to: should Org provide multiple
> snippet extensions, knowing this is not a central feature, and Org is
> often seen as bloated by Emacs devs? I don't think so, no matter how
> useful this feature can be for some users.
I'll be more receptive to this argument when animate-birthday-present
is not in Emacs's core anymore :)
That said, I'm receptive to the idea that Org could be more focused to
its core functionalities. E.g., I think we could be more minimalistic
about the ol-* and ox-* libraries in Org. Also, we should get rid of
org-modules altogether now that Emacs has a packaging system.
I'd suggest a discussion on this for after 9.4.
--
Bastien
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-19 11:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-19 7:39 Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4 Bastien
2020-02-19 8:57 ` Samuel Wales
2020-02-19 9:01 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 20:02 ` Samuel Wales
2020-02-19 20:15 ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-02-19 21:35 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 22:06 ` Samuel Wales
2020-02-19 11:03 ` Marco Wahl
2020-02-19 11:41 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 13:21 ` Marco Wahl
2020-02-19 13:39 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 17:57 ` Marco Wahl
2020-02-19 20:44 ` Bastien
2020-02-20 4:11 ` Adam Porter
2020-02-19 11:30 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-02-19 11:57 ` Bastien [this message]
2020-02-19 14:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-02-19 17:24 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 23:23 ` Vladimir Lomov
2020-02-19 23:53 ` Bastien
2020-02-20 0:20 ` Samuel Wales
2020-02-19 12:58 ` Tim Cross
2020-02-19 13:22 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 15:06 ` Tim Cross
2020-02-19 13:03 ` AW
2020-02-19 15:41 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-02-19 16:16 ` Joost Kremers
2020-02-19 17:13 ` Bastien
2020-02-19 16:50 ` Detlef Steuer
2020-02-19 17:14 ` Bastien
2020-02-20 4:07 ` Adam Porter
2020-02-20 7:10 ` Bastien
2020-02-20 14:10 ` Kaushal Modi
2020-02-21 15:49 ` Bastien
2020-02-21 19:36 ` Diego Zamboni
2020-02-21 21:28 ` Archenoth
2020-02-22 9:38 ` Bastien
2020-02-22 12:45 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-02-22 13:31 ` Bastien
2020-02-22 18:57 ` Archenoth
2020-03-18 2:20 ` Mark E. Shoulson
2020-03-18 8:58 ` Norman Tovey-Walsh
2020-03-18 20:47 ` Hiding emphasis markers Mark E. Shoulson
2020-05-22 16:47 ` Bastien
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