From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id OGiIJ6MonF5/BgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:32:03 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id QM8ACagonF7tAwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:32:08 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49B4D941D9D for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40108 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ7F6-0002iF-A7 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:32:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ7EQ-0002i6-To for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:31:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ7EP-0002LP-WC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:31:22 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:40317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQ7EP-0002AT-GQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:31:21 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.131.40.67 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4AC4C240005; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:31:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: stardiviner Subject: Re: [SOLVED] Re: [PATCH] Show hidden drawers when org-cycle on headlines References: <87ftdact0g.fsf@gmail.com> <87eesu2ekz.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87d08c9i7j.fsf@gmail.com> <87ftd7agwl.fsf@localhost> <877dyj9wkc.fsf@gmail.com> <87k12j491l.fsf@localhost> <87wo6jw3yi.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87eesqmylz.fsf@gmail.com> <877dyi1b22.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87o8rteekx.fsf@gmail.com> <87zhb8wuqb.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <877dybx2mj.fsf@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: stardiviner , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Ihor Radchenko Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:31:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877dybx2mj.fsf@gmail.com> (stardiviner's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:10:12 +0800") Message-ID: <87o8rnwyvh.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.193; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay1-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.193 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Ihor Radchenko Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.11 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.57211672621482]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.24), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.57)]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[209.51.188.17:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nicolasgoaziou.fr]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gnu.org,gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: jzUUja69YveH Hello, stardiviner writes: > I thought intuitively that property drawers "mostly expanded" and regular > drawers like :LOGBOOK: drawer "mostly folded". There is no such thing as ":LOGBOOK:" drawers. There are property drawers, and regular drawers. "LOGBOOK" belongs to the latter. >> Another (better?) option would be: "don't mess with folding state" for >> regular drawers and blocks, i.e., what is open stays open, what is >> closed stays closed. But that's more difficult to achieve. Any taker? > > This indeed will be more difficult. I agree. It's not worth to be more > complicated. I think it is worth it, because it is a sane way to handle different needs. >> In any case, I think property drawers need to be "mostly folded". > > In my opinion, this design is decided by the usage of properties drawers and > other regular drawers. For now, I only used this two drawers. Property drawers are _internal_ to Org, which means the contents are to be hidden. You can use property drawers, but think of them as a database. Seeing the guts of a database is hardly useful. However, Org provides tooling to read and write it, and even display it (e.g., Org Colview) without having to expand them. You may want to expand them to edit them, or simply retrieve information, it is all text after all, but that's not the intended use case, so there is no incentive to expand them automatically. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou