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I follo= w here > the rule that Yannis Haralambous explains in "From Unicode to > Typography, a Case Study: the Greek Script" (1999, p. 20: > http://web.archive.org/web/20120229131933/http://omega.enstb.org/yannis/p= df/boston99.pdf). > > According to Haralambous, on the second-level quotation marks (the > emphases are mine): > > #+begin_quote > > Also interesting is the case of the second level quotes. Here, quotes of > the size and shape of the English ones are used, but the opening quotes > are inverted, similar in form to raised small round guillemets [...]. > Fortunately these quotes are provided by the Unicode standard (*U+201F* > and U+201D, the latter being the same closing double quotes as in > English); *the author knows no other language in which this combination > of double quotes might be used*. > > #+end_quote > > > So the problem is in the character U+201F (assuming Haralambous is > right). For the keywords `:utf8' and `html' no problem. But I don't know > what to put in `:latex' or in `:texinfo': > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > (secondary-opening :utf-8 "=E2=80=9F" :html "‟;" :latex "??" :texin= fo "??") > #+end_src > > In fact, I think latex2e has no command or shorthand predefined for this > character (see https://ibb.co/ZBGmwYP). There would be no problem with > LuaTeX and XeTeX. But this character would be difficult to obtain in > pdfTeX even using inputenc with the utf8 option. > > Best regards, > > Juan Manuel hi Juan, i can confirm the =C2=AB=C2=BB characters are the proper ones for the first= level of quoting..Now about second level, personally i haven't seen such nesting = in ages but IIRC they should be the ones (or *very* similar) in the linked ima= ge you posted -> \textquotedblleft and \textquotedblright. I've no idea how these translate to UTF. Note that the standard greek keyboards & keymaps do not h= ave any of these characters mapped by default (not even =C2=AB=C2=BB ), most pe= ople use the standard english double/single quotes, at least in electronic writing (articles, daily communication etc). Protesilaos (cc) might have a better view on this matter. cheers, Michalis