From: Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com>
To: Russell Adams <RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.Com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 02:47:28 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o85to8wh.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ya5Zplu/GsY7toqr@maokai>
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Hi Russell,
I have a few comments on your comments :)
> These kind of issues snowball because we are also indirectly asking
> for our coders and maintainers to consider those external tools while
> continuing to support Org.
As I read it, considering other tools was just in the respect of indicating what
degree of support different tools have for Org as defined by org-mode. Not
changing anything we do based on those tools.
> How many syntax documents are we supposed to maintain outside of the working
> implementation in Emacs and the manual?
Just the one. I have some ideas on this that need to be written up, but I see
this more as polishing our syntax specification such that it’s is more
approachable for someone interested in supporting Org. IMO this leads to a
syntax document which is just better, period.
> The topic of software freedom comes up because by definition, other
> tools are outside of Emacs and may be non-free. It’s important to
> consider, but isn’t a reason to not discuss features. The key is our
> volunteers should not be required to code features for non-free tools
> outside of Emacs.
I don’t think anybody has proposed this. Personally I’m not even sure how we
went from making the website/docs more approachable to supporting 3rd party
tools ourselves, or changing anything in org-mode itself for them…
> An implied support requirement to preserve interoperability with
> external tools is a large commitment, and could also run into the
> non-free software issue. Expect people to have strong opinions about
> these matters.
With regards to this, by the very nature of things, any change that would break
interoperability with external tools would have to be a breaking change to the
syntax (with all the relevant implications for org-mode itself). In such a
situation, this would be the major concern, not external tools, so I see this
line of reasoning as being a bit moot.
> Discussions are often fruitful for all involved and shouldn’t be a
> problem when conducted in a respectful manner. Expect critical
> opinions at times, but we should keep it civil.
Indeed. I do find myself wishing that some discussions stayed more on-topic
though…
All the best,
Timothy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-06 19:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-05 7:35 Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 9:16 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-05 10:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 11:08 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-05 11:54 ` Heinz Tuechler
2021-12-05 12:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 13:32 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05 13:52 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-12-05 22:20 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05 14:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 22:39 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-08 13:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-08 14:39 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-08 16:16 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-08 17:07 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-08 19:22 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-08 20:14 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-08 21:50 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-09 8:12 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-08 21:25 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-09 8:07 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-09 8:36 ` Timothy
2021-12-09 9:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-09 10:46 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-12-09 15:21 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-09 16:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-12-09 21:15 ` Samuel Wales
2021-12-09 23:27 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-10 2:42 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-10 6:08 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2021-12-11 10:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-11 21:19 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-06 19:41 ` Karl Voit
2021-12-05 18:59 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-05 23:24 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 5:57 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 6:02 ` Timothy
2021-12-06 7:24 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 10:04 ` Greg Minshall
2021-12-06 14:59 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2021-12-06 17:59 ` Tom Gillespie
2021-12-06 18:25 ` M. ‘quintus’ Gülker
2021-12-06 18:42 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 18:47 ` Timothy [this message]
2021-12-06 19:28 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 19:34 ` Timothy
2021-12-06 18:30 ` Russell Adams
2021-12-06 19:10 ` Gerry Agbobada
2021-12-08 12:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-06 10:08 ` Greg Minshall
2021-12-06 19:45 ` Karl Voit
2021-12-07 11:08 ` Vincent Breton
2021-12-08 13:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-08 13:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 13:06 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05 14:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-05 18:54 ` Timothy
2021-12-06 11:08 ` Max Nikulin
2021-12-06 18:43 ` Russell Adams
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