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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1653880866; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=DXFwl7KKez0+OMuW0wPtChRZN+r7XE3eTn3CaJJHaYI=; b=hb3uE+5j0Q+Ghpn/McFTiJp3na44OAJsnRWxwUZNjcAJCnRPyNu4FcmkPht72qVIeRBhfH eg/FrpTLysPwAXeUYSxkYUFzCC0u2mrZDxtnOpV1VksXSSG+6VsFk3sno+aYmeeeSNBREK yLdUPnWRJHIFjQ6BQbeY3Xz93HA7BL6GYXc+sGlJJ3JPOCAvKeXdFJx76Wxdoxz3+JoOXE FCj5Pw0RyjRT9Un8bTWaewX+go3gLomqVpHy2+dDfOidw4q7WLyIRbXi9V43JibeSdaoap 2kfW9VLBMs88iSwmhhxAjxYrJ7qBJ4Dqh7H2SD0ulRv/Zi2ogjz5CuqzZTQg1w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1653880866; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nVh0PxhfRq0DM3T5ti0EJrswSkfo9kt4xRKWh8HcTvRimC/uWwpObbcBfI5zdWd/2dEfPG Fae4vFnzr7e/5HDrOR57G2mcgVs5pN++3sqyGj0IWrepKr4UQXIBUy4WeRijzcbacZsE98 yo34N5hbGXr3h/6oZDkqjhej3cDH9w8I18m0WHeYvm9vUNwuz9AEZK7Fsaj2oYOGMuH63f dSHMK4BYT3jliTuV/Xn0KO8zdPgPjX2IaTgkwAXe7FW0LMyaktmigISPqFfkHQQrLolG7Z 2V49NkFNicnMqBQLmkyHgagQARossiahq3OTvcew248pVayW1DT9d3RE5n4m2A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=CQNWpuoP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 3.47 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=CQNWpuoP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 713913E87E X-Spam-Score: 3.47 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 70LBQPI0sDXH Eduardo Ochs writes: > I think that you are underestimating how alien eev is for most people. > Let me suppose that what you mean by your comments is this: > > "I've spent N minutes watching this video - for N big - and I feel > that I've learned very little! What is the best way to learn a lot > of eev in M minutes, for M very small?" > > then the answer is: follow the main tutorial, that is here: > > http://angg.twu.net/eev-intros/find-eev-quick-intro.html To clarify, I did not expect to learn evv from the video you provided. However, I did expect to learn things proportionally to the video length. That way, the video efficiency is pretty low. The video itself can certainly be improved - the problem is not with eev itself, but rather with the way you present things. Note that eev is not actually very alien. Knowing the concept of Org links, eev is pretty trivial. At least the basics concepts are not hard to grasp. > Anyway, tomorrow I will meet with a group of three or four students > that are interested in learning Emacs and eev. They use Windows and > they have never used Emacs before, so we probably won't be able to do > much of this exercise: > > http://angg.twu.net/eev-wconfig.html#learn-org It would be interesting to hear about the outcome and the student feedback. Best, Ihor