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Plus it= =CA=BCs the > >> >> kind of thing you need to catch early: once the commit has been= pushed > >> >> it=CA=BCs too late. > >>=20 > Ihor> Not really. org-contribute.org is the page directly linked from > Ihor> orgmode.org. It is aiming for new contributors with no write ac= cess. > >>=20 > >> This particular change is in "Your first commit as an Org > >> maintainer". Perhaps that node should be moved to org-maintenance.= org? > > Ihor> I do not think so. I am seeing this section as a "crash course"= for the > Ihor> new maintainers. We should only provide the critical informatio= n there. > Ihor> Not too much, not too less. Something to not scare people with = the > Ihor> details. > > I guess we disagree about whether knowing about the distinction > between 'Author:' and 'Commit:' is critical or not. For a free > software project correct attribution of changes is very important, so > committers should pay attention to it (and by extension the > documentation should educate them about it at the earliest > opportunity). But you=CA=BCre the maintainer :-) Maybe we are mis-communicating here. AFAIU, carefully checking Author: and Commit: is only relevant when applying commits made by people without commit access. Same goes for checking the copyright status of the patch authors. Occasional committers do not usually apply patches made by others. > Ihor> The elaborate details should be in org-maintenance.org, which is > Ihor> directly mentioned at the end of the "first commit" section. > > In "Where can I track bugs, patches and updates?" or somewhere else? I think that "Copyright assignments" is suitable. "keep track of copyright assignments" includes checking the copyright status of the patch authors. > BTW, I=CA=BCm having trouble parsing this sentence from there: > > You don't much more: confirming bugs is a critical contribution. > > There=CA=BCs at least one word missing betweeen "don=CA=BCt" and "much" t= here. Fixed. Should be "You don't need to do much more: confirming bugs is a critical contribution= ." Best, Ihor