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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1673082326; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Oug5TpNPgJhgMk3Y7DL3+l6yqMjGhUhrj+GNZ74/+eLEzafSSVpY+olilqQFxo70EeHMwG N6XO6Y3+YeR1itu5vCG1lgJmDd3RgGQAe51uo7+o+s7Okbl+Tvu9JakTxjlFvkHc3NlYcs PVUdUE811c9PHjE21lOWXNDKfGJ68uPT04eWzUJMKUqqQs5md5VYsiSPHyO4wVV0g6cBH8 1u2E6a5IBeXlhU48ZFtbKjGjoAVi/IZDYSlHd2D9LyCk5zhaoh1oJ9wBvU6x30rgfJcvBK 1X1seaSL2LgtXoRc6PJf/0pQgRXABctN4zAMKvwnh7o+Ryx9ZHcV3G3m+zgj1g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=rcxYR0e1; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1673082326; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=A06hRlqMbrnQ7nBpdeHgcMtkdLYiMrXR+XYI8uTvf9w=; b=BrpX+mb7rK+4sKXsWjKdJI03YGzuxhbMeVMoD9LkZVGGKH0XDNqK3xp5N7sbgC+ZYIypac gb3mAvclXkIs++iBc0xGkDtkKxx9UR4DWwRyZ5VZ+c2teESOlCc0Zo4b1TI6SyCAX+ZHU5 56g+rmaxLeNm4+F3AUbQQBDW99kPAxPV2Gl8OphXEjsRFTvwbcmVdwi5nMmewS+Y7oARqF OCo75ylVYFZHTJxUrAQsQQeknahcOjdz8nR0Tr591yH2v+RRSr0bgARQA+TAD7JKuCLeus MTctU0uFkyh6/dOfeFS0K3LjkvDCNi7m5TMvWkjKDmvzaFJpGSlbhw6u9qsibw== X-Spam-Score: -4.01 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9A39131B77 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=rcxYR0e1; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.01 X-TUID: gqBZLBCm+OWv Jean Louis writes: >> I was hoping that you might be interested to provide a patch for Org >> upstream. > > Question is: did you try it out? > > Once you try it out, then let me know to continue. I did try it. I am in favour of the non-blocking menu. Other people participating in this discussion too. As I said, the requirement to get it into the core is re-creating previous layout and bindings. The layout and bindings may be customizable, but they must be available. > The Concept and More Ideas: > --------------------------- > > 1. You can create derived mode, for example Org derived mode. This has pros and cons. Org derived mode means that personal customization, including key bindings and themes, may affect menus. This may or may not be desired. > 2. You can create key bindings freely for that derived mode. +1 > 3. You can create read-only, temporary buffers for export in that > derived mode. I am not sure what you are referring to. > 4. Because it is read only, similar to modal modes, you do not need > complicated key bindings, you don't need to use C-combinations for > few simple things, use simply letter. Same as what we do now in the menus. I do not think that we need to change the existing bindings (by default). > 5. Though it implies you can use same key bindings for > "compatibility", but I would say it rather honestly for bad habits, > as in the derived. As I said earlier, "bad habits" is a judgment. We will not break user experience if we don't have to. It includes existing bindings. Introducing alternatives is possible though. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at