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For the first link I cannot tell, but the numbers are very similar to the litmus blog post on April 2021. > Those are by majority all web software clients. Yes, because what they are measuring is "email opens" via web pixels and such tracking technologies. That's might be a reason why Thunderbird does not show up there. So while this data somehow shows the sad state of affairs, it is not relevant to the question of linking to emails. Obviously Emacs caters to a tiny niche, yes. But how does it do or should do? Ciao; Gregor