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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: "András Simonyi" <andras.simonyi@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oc-csl: New custom option `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles'
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 13:34:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7948sua.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOWRwxCoaF6H43QnKL0cb-qYmznJcWvbXXYOSSOMqEEamDOjmw@mail.gmail.com>

András Simonyi <andras.simonyi@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 11 May 2024 at 19:24, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:
>
>>> > since bibtex and biblatex requires title fields to be in title case
>> Are you sure? AFAIK, bibtex and biblatex (depending on the bibstyle)
>> does not care about capitalization and instead applies its own, unless
>> the title explicitly protects the capitalization/case with {Curly
>> BracketS}.
>
> Yes, I'm pretty sure that the expected casing in .bib bibliography
> databases for the title fields is by default title case, plus
> protective braces around texts whose case shouldn't be touched during
> formatting (of course, formatting itself can produce both sentence and
> title case from this input depending on the used style). This
> requirement was already clearly stated in Lamport's original LaTeX
> book. To quote the relevant part of "The Bibliography Database"
> chapter  (2nd edition, p. 158):
> ...
> These requirements haven't changed since then and also hold for
> biblatex, see, e.g.,
> ...

Thanks for the explanation.
I also cross-checked with the examples given in
https://ctan.org/pkg/bibtex - all consistent.

> I'm a bit unsure about naming the option:
> Perhaps `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles-without-langid'
> would be more precise but I found it absurdly long and technical, as
> most users are probably unaware of the existence of langid fields.

Maybe org-cite-csl-sentence-case-english-titles?

Also, it would be nice to point out the CSL and Bibtex have different
conventions for the title field.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-17 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-11 15:33 [PATCH] oc-csl: New custom option `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles' András Simonyi
2024-05-11 17:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-05-14  9:58   ` András Simonyi
2024-05-17 13:34     ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-06-17 11:39       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-18 15:52         ` András Simonyi
2024-06-19  9:27           ` András Simonyi
2024-06-19 14:36             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-20  5:56               ` András Simonyi
2024-06-21 10:27             ` Max Nikulin
2024-07-06  9:59               ` András Simonyi
2024-07-08 10:57                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-07-08 12:56                   ` András Simonyi
2024-07-08 15:18                     ` András Simonyi
2024-07-12 10:58                     ` Max Nikulin
2024-05-15 11:48 ` Max Nikulin

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