From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rasmus Subject: Re: [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87mw5abfhg.fsf@gmx.us> References: <87lhkvm4nb.fsf@orgzly.com> <87fvb222ft.fsf@gnu.org> <87a91aiie1.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEQWo-0000D2-GK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:47:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEQWk-0006Sl-GW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:47:06 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEQWk-0006Sh-9W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:47:02 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YEQWh-00075m-PJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:46:59 +0100 Received: from tsn109-201-152-239.dyn.nltelcom.net ([109.201.152.239]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:46:59 +0100 Received: from rasmus by tsn109-201-152-239.dyn.nltelcom.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:46:59 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi, Marcin Borkowski writes: > Now Rasmus comes and says: > >> I must admit that I feel uncomfortable because you use the name >> org-mode to promote a product that does not respect the "4 freedoms" >> as put forth by the FSF. E.g. if you make mistakes, it may reflect >> poorly on us, and we won't even be able to fix it or distribute >> a version that is not broken if we so desired. That's just /my/ >> personal opinion, though. > > which is a very well-thought, delicate way of saying that he doesn't > like the situation. > (Personally, I do not 100% agree with Rasmus' opinion, but I can see the > rationale behind it.) Fine with me! Neven, whom I have exchange a couple of private emails with, is free to distribute his software as he see fit. What I explicitly quoted as being uncomfortable was the association between his product with *org-mode*. Note, the tag-line on Neven's site was something like "org-mode for Android" up until this discussion. I'm sure everybody is excited that his program is working with the *org format*! > Then others come and say some, ekhm, not-extremely-nice things to > someone who was definitely not trolling or anything like this. We should strive to keep the org-list friendly and civilized. > Let us further assume that he will sell his book in bookstores (it might > be in ebook form, with or without DRM, or in paper form - never mind, I > do not know the exact details). Would he be prohibited from mentioning > his project (which clearly involves a non-free piece of *software*, > i.e., the LaTeX source file, and promotes the *result* of executing this > piece of code) on Emacs mailing list? I am very interested in a serious > answer, and (if it happens to be "no") in explanation how and why the > situation would be different. First, I don't have strong opinions on this. However, as I recall there's a passage on articles vs software in Free as in Freedom 2.0: http://shop.fsf.org/product/free-as-in-freedom-2/ Second, there's /nothing/ wrong with charging for e.g. binaries. A few Android programs that I use come to mind: Conversations, DAVDroid, OSMAnd, OwnCloud News (correct me if I'm wrong on any of these; I don't have iGoogles). —Rasmus -- Together we will make the possible totalllly impossible!