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From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:46:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mw5abfhg.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a91aiie1.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl

Hi,

Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:

> Now Rasmus comes and says:
>
>> I must admit that I feel uncomfortable because you use the name
>> org-mode to promote a product that does not respect the "4 freedoms"
>> as put forth by the FSF.  E.g. if you make mistakes, it may reflect
>> poorly on us, and we won't even be able to fix it or distribute
>> a version that is not broken if we so desired.  That's just /my/
>> personal opinion, though.
>
> which is a very well-thought, delicate way of saying that he doesn't
> like the situation.

> (Personally, I do not 100% agree with Rasmus' opinion, but I can see the
> rationale behind it.)

Fine with me!

Neven, whom I have exchange a couple of private emails with, is free to
distribute his software as he see fit.  What I explicitly quoted as being
uncomfortable was the association between his product with *org-mode*.
Note, the tag-line on Neven's site was something like "org-mode for
Android" up until this discussion.

I'm sure everybody is excited that his program is working with the *org
format*!

> Then others come and say some, ekhm, not-extremely-nice things to
> someone who was definitely not trolling or anything like this.

We should strive to keep the org-list friendly and civilized.

> Let us further assume that he will sell his book in bookstores (it might
> be in ebook form, with or without DRM, or in paper form - never mind, I
> do not know the exact details).  Would he be prohibited from mentioning
> his project (which clearly involves a non-free piece of *software*,
> i.e., the LaTeX source file, and promotes the *result* of executing this
> piece of code) on Emacs mailing list?  I am very interested in a serious
> answer, and (if it happens to be "no") in explanation how and why the
> situation would be different.

First, I don't have strong opinions on this.  However, as I recall there's
a passage on articles vs software in Free as in Freedom 2.0:

    http://shop.fsf.org/product/free-as-in-freedom-2/

Second, there's /nothing/ wrong with charging for e.g. binaries.  A few
Android programs that I use come to mind: Conversations, DAVDroid, OSMAnd,
OwnCloud News (correct me if I'm wrong on any of these; I don't have
iGoogles).

—Rasmus
 
-- 
Together we will make the possible totalllly impossible!

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-22 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-22 11:33 [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly) Neven
2015-01-22 15:58 ` Xebar Saram
2015-01-22 16:02 ` Rasmus
2015-01-22 20:00   ` Neven
2015-01-22 21:05     ` Melleus
2015-01-22 21:20       ` Neven
2015-01-23  8:47       ` e.fraga
2015-01-22 16:41 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2015-01-22 16:57   ` Scott Randby
2015-01-22 22:02   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-22 22:46     ` Rasmus [this message]
2015-01-24  0:05       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-23  4:13     ` Scott Randby
2015-01-23  8:53       ` Rainer M Krug
2015-01-23 13:31         ` Scott Randby
2015-01-23 23:57       ` John Hendy
2015-01-23 19:18     ` Greg Troxel
2015-01-23 19:21       ` Greg Troxel
2015-01-23 23:57       ` Discussion of non-free-as-defined-by-FSF software (was: [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)) Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-23  9:56   ` [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly) Karl Voit
2015-01-24  0:10     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-22 21:23 ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2015-01-23  2:59   ` Mike McLean
2015-01-24  0:15     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-23  4:34 ` Samuel Wales
2016-10-20 19:28 ` Thomas Koch
2016-10-22  2:46   ` Stefan Huchler

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