From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id uEDaMf75vl5uawAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:22:22 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id 4Lm6Lf75vl5CAQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:22:22 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C4A9940276 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:53732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgqZ-0001lK-2q for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 16:22:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36606) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgq6-0001jf-Ox for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 16:21:50 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:51529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZgq5-0006Q6-M2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 16:21:50 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.131.40.67 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7491CC0004; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:21:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Charles Millar Subject: Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything" References: <33ac809e-38a7-cb48-4c5b-00678f21460a@verizon.net> Mail-Followup-To: Charles Millar , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 22:21:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <33ac809e-38a7-cb48-4c5b-00678f21460a@verizon.net> (Charles Millar's message of "Wed, 13 May 2020 14:19:49 -0400") Message-ID: <87mu69vtif.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/15 15:59:04 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.01 X-TUID: hg9J23MkBtUL Hello, Charles Millar writes: > I recall seeing these messages, but did not realize that this change > was going to effect all org files and by default, use lots and lots of > space when an org file is opened. That's true. On large files, this is not the best set-up. But I assume anyone opening very large Org files is able to configure Org to their liking. On small files, e.g., a couple of screens high, this is a decent value, however. But, more importantly, this is the least surprising value. I think it is not uncommon for an Emacs user to open an Org file without knowing about this major mode, e.g., if a project provides a README.org file. This change is (mostly) for them, not for you, or me. > As dar as I am concerned,the past default was OK and it took only > a brief time to learn the past behavior and the visibility settings on > a per file basis. > > I may be only a user but if I had I would have voted no. You can voice your opinion in the thread, which is not closed. I hope the Org community can find a consensus about this change. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou