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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tim Cross , emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=flTusI9m; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.81 X-TUID: i/7HPk/GhaI0 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Gillespie writes: > Would it help if major releases maintained a mini-config that if added > to init.el would allow users to retain old behavior? That way they > wouldn't have to read the NEWS but could just add the relevant lines, > or maybe even just call the org-old-default-behavior-9.1 or > org-old-default-behavior-9.4. The workflow during development would be > to account for any change to defaults in those functions. Thoughts? > Tom This would ease the pain temporarily but not fix the problem. The next time you sit down with a colleague to show org-mode you=E2=80=99ll= be searching in your config for the change to go back to the old default. The problem is that you have to do stuff after an update to undo breakage. This is a conservative stance =E2=80=94 I have gotten more conservative in what I want from my software over the years. I want to learn tools that just keep working because I can only become really good in those. It=E2=80=99s only there that investing much time into learning th= em actually pays off. 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