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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Stefan Nobis Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=m45d/Dlr; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.09 X-TUID: 4oxHIZlWe71V "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > I have seen no uproar here. Discussions here were friendly and > constructive. The discusssions are long, because there aren=E2=80=99t easy > solutions to managing changes in UX in central places. > > And a significant share of the discussion was about the question whether > the new interaction is better or worse and whether this actually is > insignificant. I=CA=BCll add my 0.02=E2=82=AC and say that I don=CA=BCt know if this chang= e affected me, since I=CA=BCm lazy enough that I always do C-RET to start a new headline, as it frees me from having to worry about the number of stars to add. Robert