From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Warning with latest git pull Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87liaf422j.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87a9qxl6bv.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87621jxu41.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87r4k746o8.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sj4nw8d6.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43941) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U9Eje-0004VO-9k for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:02:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U9Ein-0001Lx-Qq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:01:50 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]:51902) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U9Ein-0001Lm-Jt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:00:57 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 16so1234616wgi.27 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:00:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87sj4nw8d6.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:57:25 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Achim, Achim Gratz writes: > Bastien writes: >> And time-to-seconds seems absent -- but it seems absent from >> *any* version of XEmacs I could check (21.4.1, 21.4.9, 21.5.9). > > No it's there, in gnus/time-date.elc — maybe your versions are all > without Gnus? Yes, my versions come without Gnus. I directly downloaded them from xemacs.org (which is completely outdated by the way.) >> So yes, I think it's safe to remove this compat function. Let me know >> if you find time-to-seconds in <2010 versions of XEmacs. > > I don't know which version of XEmacs is still in use, much less together > with Org (and again which version of Org). I often see 21.4 versions > installed in various places, but not how much use they are getting. The > 21.5b32 I have installed for rudimentary testing (I still havent managed > to stop the stack explosion that prevents the test suite from running) > is relatively recent, so I wouldn't put it as the benchmark of > compatibility. > > XEmacs compatibility in master is anyway broken since your reversion > 04eb4b08c3 If you see a way of re-reverting this without breaking the various way to install Org in Emacs, let me know. > and compatibility with Emacs 22 is on shaky grounds due to > b63275350f. org-condition-case-unless-debug is not in maint or master anymore, so I guess this problem is gone. Do you confirm this? > So I'll ask this question again: which Emacs versions > should Org 8 officially support? If we stick with what we have now, > we'll need to make it compatible again and at least try to get testing > off the ground for XEmacs, if we drop older Emacsen we will need to > remove the associated cruft from Org. It's a few days of work either > way, but with a possible release date approaching a decision is > necessary. "Official support" is useful to officially declare something as a bug or not. But I'm not sure it's worth officially declaring that we officially support this version and not this one. We are not Org LTS. We are just a few random hackers trying to do and share their best :) But you're right, we need to publicly set a goal, at least. I hereby declare that I want Org to be fully functional for Emacs 23 and older, and I wish Org can be reasonably functional for Emacs <23 and XEmacs. XEmacs users and Emacs-22 users, please help reporting comptability bugs, or you'll be ignored till the Dawn of Apocalypse. :) -- Bastien