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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1658801282; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=oKGlCfaPrczcw9VitAxdp+Q9LrhETF4eY29AsR+WBM0=; b=JUaDw7Ud8brJoduuesR44zBwGQa+csL27wjDt1d/wYDEXpLTc8nH1KZud4wB/UiDdSwyBb s1gaK4b3dCKcfb3TkaKtAfWsa7viNFgohsgjrn+xLJa7FYVgv/rMDQfZd5zFPeiChlpvEu PWm4DqQ7I7ztSRNQ/SQUBxbEU7AEAXVsnK6wWqrAIxuTFiNjr6oexZotUlxP7pMUe9hzNW 9TWrlmyxtjBqtNcxGkhbI3K9CDGl9aTD2ohGXYy2J2ntjaBDH//zmSUBVV1g/LI1EAIGUK R7nZ4uSe5w0sGf923BKRG2xRhuR3POYGaElI4iarjL9NKqh3FbBDMLhXGMJO2w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1658801282; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=HM0bHeYJkV2ksQH3v4y1AJILFTJCyZzGaDuwdcoCzqRfMoQrtxnYFb/H6i/qsWydfXHR2m cdUOO2Jv+ALpirfY8WbbZmsBgdbMc4kClCzagkBZ7FrVIMDO1NgefqGtvs3F01EL3IyGNO uvvDY0kNNIpogPMcogfSXkVGFyY9S+UIx2u5J98kLHM0BpZqqPxgMHrURO+UQtL+dfxeZ0 XZ3MTjDgQHdPnsmBDMfz+2ml3/akMv2i/jhEdd0crzRoMu+2zRsMP8r8y7ubTwBxFBmMqh b09MhzHpHQ4B1lcNy4ElewnXcZTlA4ugzEjuHRBndDmaDFQXIvEZMVrBs/i2CQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nLfj8o9r; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.43 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nLfj8o9r; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 30FB33C19B X-Spam-Score: -8.43 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: aiZymDBxMvl0 Jarmo Hurri writes: >> TBH, this is the first time I'm hearing about it. I've looked it up, >> and indeed it seems to be useful. > > For some reason, even people who would certainly benefit from Asymptote > often have not heard of it. The developers do not really > advertise. Asymptote is amazingly powerful and sophisticated. Then, it would help to have more practical examples compared to what we have in https://www.orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-asymptote.html >> That said, shouldn't this be in org-contrib? Too many features in a >> tool - featurism - may be distracting, in the sense that you focus >> more on your tool than work at hand. > > I do not understand this. Why would supporting a professional-level > graphics programming language be distracting someone from their work > when using Org? That a common minimalist argument. Some people dislike the fact that software includes features they do not personally use. Similar arguments are often raised regarding, for example, games shipped with Emacs. I disagree in this particular case. Having ob-asymptote.el is not a featurism - I would not expect people to play around a full new programming language just because ob-language.el is in Org. The barrier of entry is too high to make it destructing. Another question is long-term maintainability. We have a limited manpower and cannot cater too many support requests or take care about parts of code not used by most people. After removing org-contrib over a year ago, your email is the first issue raised regarding ob-asymptote removal. Since you are volunteering to maintain it, things gets easier. However, the final decision is after Bastien. >> And that said, to work around this, I reckon that's why (?) we have >> org-contrib. You - the end user - install what you want/need. > > Yes, but whenever we split up support, we raise the threshold for the > use of a combination of tools, in this case Org and Asymptote. > > Org is a very powerful publication tool. Does it not make complete sense > to include support for a tool for creating professional-quality > publication graphics? Apparently asymptote is not commonly used (at least, not in my research field). We do provide built-in support for Gnuplot, LaTeX TikZ, and Python (Matplotlib), PlantUML. AFAIK, they are much more common. Best, Ihor