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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1663694430; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Rj0o+OFy4wILA1TvxTFBSGWPtPjTXk0CVis8JmSdKUU=; b=Sgjxo6SK2z8dDgCju/n36LlypCnOb3te6Z9HRFly69r0QECA06alk/Rnjq59fKQB25hXWl h0ZeWK/IlmD8ThMr26m+Vn/vhGd2KmECuQiIjLZaKg/MvwY1m4uak/pYo2/pprMk6SkyXt IGRU423Tp/MRp9R7U3/1v7z5haRe90A+O5yW5FpA6dJxtI0GhmnNZtDVQXFbC9v1Fwgjkj PyUY1yavMDE4XoGCu3b1k9zvVLnkMcVdYVXn1nTCTNzMsm0DM0wEZ44g7jrtmgHafxEvu2 Sc6IhPFwlRSoMkwzPcNRfxV3kaSyCZtyy57kqaMd2ztiEH6Ar0sINaPV5+docQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1663694430; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mxMF/qKlxA1at/kYIa2Z+7CUwSOg2A57xxdzJBgl9wg7K2D6QnB3neuEV80CL/K1AILYbJ bi3kkyhwrCcuEA7EvBiQKXTXtBbPZLFgJWLZvSXwoI/c8K0SDYfOUzgdJ8XiLB1CMnuKQ2 avIyHxzFHQ+YT+ote1sexFQneDls9VVyWO8QDBizQ3PWZrWvvfyg9jfyodcw0yIaWTV8qW Vx4TucB2pas40PysrhzC56dDfh9+4nx6djDkX5DvV67GJdG+YdrDOfhBzca7FuNqN5GIjp rYgHYiROx1p7pxYfiGIYZrZ7P+e+D2SpldjQbI62ToIQzQOkrUr/Jz9cvZiAPA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Zcjwilnp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Zcjwilnp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9004C1F108 X-Spam-Score: -2.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: UY9udbUd7ViK [=E0=AE=9A=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AF=8D = =E0=AE=9A=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AE=AE=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=AA=E0= =AE=B0=E0=AF=8D 20, 2022] Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>> All in all, I feel that fully respecting `use-hard-newlines' in Org is >>> not a good idea. We can do it partially (for filling), but I am afraid >>> that it may create some confusion. >> >> I am not sure what you mean by confusion here: those who have >> `use-hard-newlines' turned on are explicitly asking for it. If >> anything, I was confused when I found org-mode did not recognise >> hard-newlines. > > Let me clarify. > > Current state of affairs is: Org ignores `use-hard-newlines' > Proposed: Org sometimes ignores `use-hard-newline' and sometimes not. > > I do believe that what you suggest is a good idea (respecting > `use-hard-newlines' when filling). However, I notice that some people > may be more confused if we implement this FR compared to the existing > situation. So, I am asking for feedback from other users instead of > accepting the FR. My point is that I don't see how this is confusing when the user who turns on use-hard-newlines knows all its caveats, but like you say, lets see what others say. >> AFAICT, the rest two are comments (though I cannot tell the difference >> between "comment" and "comment-block"). I replaced the one in paragraph >> since that was where lack of hard-newlines support bit me. > > [...] > > I do not see why `use-hard-newline' should affect normal paragraphs but > not comments. I phrased my poorly. I did not look at the calls of fill-paragraph-as-region simply because the I hadn't tried to use hard-newlines in comments. I agree that we should support it comments too.