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Dye" Cc: Evgenii Klimov , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: [TASK] Ensure built-in babel backend consistency (standard header support) and ad documentation to the manual (was: [Pre-PATCH v2] Add the capability to specify lexical scope in tangled files (was: Add new :lexical header argument)) In-Reply-To: <87edl9f4qq.fsf@tsdye.online> References: <878rbib4su.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8emb2rx.fsf@lipklim.org> <87ilamf91l.fsf@tsdye.online> <87bkgdh9ud.fsf@localhost> <87edl9f4qq.fsf@tsdye.online> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:18:59 +0000 Message-ID: <87lefgi58c.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.58 X-Spam-Score: -4.58 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AD5874D463 X-TUID: jo2JSLleFbtv "Thomas S. Dye" writes: > IIRC, there wasn't much discussion. The current situation > doesn't seem ripe for documentation in the manual. > > Here are some potential hurdles: > - there are likely too many built-in backends; > ... > One way forward might distinguish between babel backends for GNU > software and babel backends for non-GNU software, with the former > built in, guaranteed to be consistent to some standard (which > needs to be formulated), and documented in the manual and the > latter moved to contrib or a package archive, with documentation > (if any) on Worg. We have recently reduced the number of built-in backends: https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87bl9rq29m.fsf@gnu.org/ Presumably, all that's left is useful is worth maintaining upstream. > - the built-in backends are a mixed bag--ob-lua seems > half-finished to me, though I don't program in lua and struggled > to set up the language to write the documentation stub on Worg; AFAIK, most people assume that built-in backends are stable. If they are not, it is a bug anyway. Or we should declare that we do not maintain them. > - nearly a dozen of the built-in babel backends lack > documentation outside the source code (see > https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/index.html#orgbc466c5); > and > - language support is inconsistent (see > https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/lang-compat.html), > which introduces complications for language agnostic literate > programming. That's what we should work on. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at