From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:11:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87k3r05bt0.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87ham6wbwx.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87622mkzti.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87pq0tzrk0.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <871ud9ir2e.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <874ni5owxt.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <871ud88bp7.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87sj5o155t.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35059) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tz5Xd-000867-W5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:11:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tz5XX-0004PF-8H for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:11:29 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com ([74.125.82.51]:33594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tz5XX-0004P6-1y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:11:23 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 8so773313wgl.6 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 05:11:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87sj5o155t.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:48:30 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Achim, Achim Gratz writes: >> - it advices `require', which is a very core function in Emacs. > > Which has been discussed on Emacs devel and has been pronounced safe in > this case. No. Stefan just said it was safe to *experiment* with it. > Like a few hundred other places in Emacs and Org. Also, when some day > Emacs will perhaps solve the problem, the solution will likely be > something very similar: renaming the require primitive and creating a > wrapper in Lisp that does what the advice is doing. Feel free to push into that direction in Emacs. >> This is like telling Windows users to reboot their system so that it >> can works correctly (remember the old days?). It feels wrong. And I >> doubt we can educate the users -- there are many of them, and many >> don't have the time to tell they have a problem. > > So why are you trying to educate users not to use ELPA when you think > it's a waste of time? I'm not educating anyone. For users who have problems when installing Org through ELPA, I advise them to use another method. > You're confusing me. Do you want to remove Org from ELPA or not? I think this is a good option, but I will ping users before, as I already said. Please don't waste your time and mine arguing about this. -- Bastien