From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Thorsten Jolitz Subject: Re: [RFC] Org Minor Mode? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:54:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87k3amfxae.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ha61f4rk.fsf@gmail.com> <8738hlkn64.fsf@gmail.com> <87eh11w77i.fsf@gmail.com> <87oazykbp5.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbB6P-00063p-EH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:53:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbB6J-0006Uf-Fk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:53:21 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WbB6J-0006UZ-9P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:53:15 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WbB6H-00047y-GN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:53:13 +0200 Received: from e178054054.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.54.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:53:13 +0200 Received: from tjolitz by e178054054.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:53:13 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Bastien writes: > Thorsten Jolitz writes: > >> That means that Org headlines are much more 'intelligent' than outline >> headlines (they know about todos, priorities, tags, timestamps, >> properties, planning, clocking, being archived etc.) and one could >> have that kind of intelligent headlines in other modes too with a true >> org-minor-mode. > > Joke aside, did you closely look at orgstruct-mode? > I guess so if you started outorg.el. Yes! Actually, omm.el is a merge of outshine.el and the orgstruct section from org.el, i.e. the entire orgstruct code has been copied to omm.el and therefore could be removed from org.el in case org-minor-mode ever becomes reality (and omm.el part of org-mode). I think org(struct)-style list and table editing in other text-modes is a kind of special case for an org-minor-mode, though a very useful one. The default case would be its (mode agnostic) use in programming modes and with outcommented text. In that case outshine and outorg/poporg offer some useful ideas and functionality too. > My point is: I'd rather improve orgstruct-mode than rethink > an org-minor-mode from scratch. But that's just me of course. I think outorg and poporg are quite heavy competitors to org(struct)-style list and table editing, since they offer the full power of Org-mode, work in comment sections and docstrings (too), and avoid possible mode conflicts by simply reverting the `org-edit-special' idea => work in a programming mode and launch temporary org-mode edit buffers for occasional text editing. So for text/list/table editing I think there could be user options for deciding between orgstruct and/or outorg&poporg, so that none of the existing efforts is lost. The real value and innovation of a true org-minor-mode would be to introduce Org's intelligent headlines and all the related functionality into the world of outcommented text in programming modes. -- cheers, Thorsten