From: Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Org Minor Mode?
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:54:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k3amfxae.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87oazykbp5.fsf@bzg.ath.cx
Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
> Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> That means that Org headlines are much more 'intelligent' than outline
>> headlines (they know about todos, priorities, tags, timestamps,
>> properties, planning, clocking, being archived etc.) and one could
>> have that kind of intelligent headlines in other modes too with a true
>> org-minor-mode.
>
> Joke aside, did you closely look at orgstruct-mode?
> I guess so if you started outorg.el.
Yes! Actually, omm.el is a merge of outshine.el and the orgstruct
section from org.el, i.e. the entire orgstruct code has been copied to
omm.el and therefore could be removed from org.el in case org-minor-mode
ever becomes reality (and omm.el part of org-mode).
I think org(struct)-style list and table editing in other text-modes is
a kind of special case for an org-minor-mode, though a very useful
one. The default case would be its (mode agnostic) use in programming
modes and with outcommented text. In that case outshine and
outorg/poporg offer some useful ideas and functionality too.
> My point is: I'd rather improve orgstruct-mode than rethink
> an org-minor-mode from scratch. But that's just me of course.
I think outorg and poporg are quite heavy competitors to
org(struct)-style list and table editing, since they offer the full
power of Org-mode, work in comment sections and docstrings (too), and
avoid possible mode conflicts by simply reverting the
`org-edit-special' idea => work in a programming mode and launch
temporary org-mode edit buffers for occasional text editing.
So for text/list/table editing I think there could be user options for
deciding between orgstruct and/or outorg&poporg, so that none of the
existing efforts is lost. The real value and innovation of a true
org-minor-mode would be to introduce Org's intelligent headlines and all
the related functionality into the world of outcommented text in
programming modes.
--
cheers,
Thorsten
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-18 15:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-10 17:55 [RFC] Org Minor Mode? Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-10 19:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-04-11 10:07 ` Bastien
2014-04-11 17:22 ` Richard Lawrence
2014-04-13 16:28 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-19 5:37 ` Samuel Wales
2014-04-19 10:25 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-13 16:07 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-18 13:27 ` Bastien
2014-04-13 16:00 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-18 13:29 ` Bastien
2014-04-18 15:54 ` Thorsten Jolitz [this message]
2014-04-19 5:23 ` Bastien
2014-04-19 10:11 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-19 12:57 ` Bastien
2014-04-24 21:06 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2014-04-25 8:00 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-04-29 12:24 ` Bastien
2014-04-29 18:44 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2014-05-06 9:06 ` Bastien
2014-04-24 21:16 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2014-04-25 7:49 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-06 9:20 ` Bastien
2014-05-27 9:20 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-28 21:47 ` Bastien
2014-05-28 22:19 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-29 0:01 ` Bastien
2014-05-29 17:47 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-29 18:57 ` Bastien
2014-05-30 8:52 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-30 12:13 ` Bastien
2014-05-30 13:41 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-30 13:54 ` Bastien
2014-05-30 14:15 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-05-30 14:22 ` Bastien
2014-05-30 14:38 ` Thorsten Jolitz
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