From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEZyYW7Dp29pcyBQaW5hcmQgUklQ?= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:04:07 +0800 Message-ID: <87k375psd4.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <871tte3dty.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> <87wqb5ltbb.fsf@gmx.us> <87mwc1vgji.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50423) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9Xrw-00028A-Uq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:04:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9Xro-0000LQ-4X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:04:28 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9Xrn-0000LJ-Uo for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:04:20 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X9Xrm-0003v5-51 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:04:18 +0200 Received: from 111.197.167.73 ([111.197.167.73]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:04:18 +0200 Received: from eric by 111.197.167.73 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:04:18 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Thorsten Jolitz writes: > Rasmus writes: > >> Nick Dokos writes: >> >>> I just found out that François Pinard (author of org grep among other >>> tools and frequent contributor to this list) died recently: > > This is sad news. > > Somehow, whenever I had an idea for a *brandnew*, cool&useful little Org > library and went ahead implementing it, it turned out that François had > this idea before and already had implemented his own version of the > library. > > This happened first when I announced Outorg, only to find out that he > had announced Poporg a few weeks ago. > > Then someone requested a feature for Outshine that shows the number of > hidden lines in folded headlines, which I implemented and then factored > out as the small 'org-hlc.el' library (Org hidden-lines-cookies). Only > to find out a bit later that there was 'org-weights.el' by - guess > whom. > > The completely different implementations show that all these libraries > were developed completely independently, but nevertheless - François was > very kind and friendly all the time, not a sign of anger that somebody > 'stole ideas' or 'doubled efforts' or so. It actually became a kind of > internal joke between us that for whatever project I started, he already > had an implementation in his "back-catalogue", and I used to send him a > PM first before starting a new project. > > While its normally a pretty frustrating thing to write a library that > already exists, it turned out that our implementations complemented each > other rather than competed with each other (see our joint article > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-outside-org.html on Worg). So > nowadays I tend to use his Poporg (https://github.com/pinard/poporg) for > editing doc-strings of functions and variables in Org-mode, and my own > Outorg for editing whole subtrees and (outshine) buffers in Org-mode. > > Its sad that this extremely friendly "competition" between Org library > writers cannot continue. Thanks for this, Thorsten.