From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id cMlTCcIRs1+NYQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 23:56:50 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id aGgvBcIRs1/yfAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 23:56:50 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D41940118 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 23:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:48964 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keoMZ-0006WF-IY for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 18:56:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keoLq-0006W2-Nl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 18:56:02 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:37727) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keoLo-0000s0-JM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 18:56:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1605570957; bh=O2cBM/D80I2Srm/JUHgeGRDtebTvQTpkpj+VaBOliYQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=ajZyU/L0ZXVfsTNZitsA5LK7PjDj4acvPeFQN/gDHnC6bF9WAOPLho/Lmx93n6uAV bFcCvFN8gIaKxxHF4FNJa0ZP8ZTrJw7P2eJljR17jglR/rTLiNKwcKQdb8D441MXQW c3s11sDFFFDE5Fh4KPuLHw0kCHR9XhCXkGS3OF4Y= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from fluss ([80.136.19.238]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LqUan-1k13ca33NB-00e94u; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 00:55:57 +0100 References: <2020-11-13T18-23-43@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <874klqew77.fsf@web.de> <20201115122154.50ad1503@linux-h0yu.fritz.box> <87tutq67ka.fsf@gmail.com> <87tutpvppm.fsf@kyleam.com> <871rgtwzrs.fsf@web.de> <87y2j1ahqf.fsf@gmail.com> <87v9e5uw2u.fsf@web.de> <87sg999g13.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" To: Tim Cross Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tom Gillespie , emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=ajZyU/L0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.81 X-TUID: BcdLWAvMAlRi --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim Cross writes: > At the same time, us users also need to take on some of the > responsibility and recognise that major version upgrades may break or > change their workflow. If you have a situation where stability of your > environment is critical to your work and your strapped for time so that > any change will be unacceptably disruptive, you need to adopt an upgrade > workflow which mitigates that risk. I had that on an OLPC where I had everything working and avoided any changes that weren=E2=80=99t necessary, because I used it for writing. It w= as perfect. There was a catch, though: It used a custom kernel and the config did not work with newer versions. And I did not manage to change that with some 20 hours of trying. But that did not hurt me, I had my emacs and could play music for writing and roleplaying games. Then the config for the new Emacs version on the desktop and the version on the OLPC became incompatible, so I upgraded the OLPC to be able to transfer the changes (I needed them so I could use the config in the repository to be able to run the exporter for the writing =E2=80=94 I also = had a full texlive on there). That was right around the time udev got introduced as mandatory dependency. And that needed a newer kernel to avoid breaking the audio. I have not been able to restore sound output to the OLPC in the past half decade. And all ways I tried to fix the problem =E2=80=94 including ot= her distros =E2=80=94 failed in some ways. Sad story short: Having to update is a fact of life. Stuff that breaks on update is a liability. Most of the times org-mode has been pretty good at it, but the few breakages it had did actually cost me quite some time (one example is that lecture-slides did not export cleanly anymore after the exporter updates). 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