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My kids (27, 24) both have email accounts, > but only have them and use them for places which insist on an email > address (like government services, universities etc). They use email > only when they have to and check it only when they are expecting a > message. For them, it is IM services (even there, the ones used will > also depend on your age within the <30 - seems to be a trend from FB > messenger, snapchat, discord, whatsapp, tiktok - and even there FB > messenger is probably just to IM with their parents!). From their > perspective, FB is what their parents use and email is what their > grandparents use! No way will they use a mail list. > > Of course there are exceptions. You will likely find more young people > who use Emacs and org will also use email more, but I don=E2=80=99t know = if that > is because the types of people attracted to Emacs and org mode are also > the types of people more attracted to email for comms. > > These days, when I want interactive chat, I actually prefer to go with > real chat rather than text based chat. There are so many choices for > voice chat these days, you may as well have real interaction and just > talk! This is where the technology really blows my mind now. A little > while ago, I was collaborating with someone where we were talking using > a voice chat app. It was a bug squashing collaboration where we worked > through a bunch of bugs together and got a heap fixed in a 2 hours > intensive session. I was in Australia and they were in South America AND > travelling on a bus! While there was a couple of instances where we lost > voice comms briefly, it was remarkably successful and it still blows my > mind that I was live coding with someone half way around the world, > travelling on a bus while we coded and chatted in real time! 30 years > ago, we would both need to be in stable locations with land-lines and > IRC would be the most interaction we could hope for - voice definitely > not! I find that very interesting to hear. It reminds me that the bcachefs matrix room (which I hang out in),which has a Jitsi widget. Over there it seems th= at occasionally the lead developer and the main other contributor seem to hang= out there while working on the project. Doing something similar for Org development is an interesting idea. Somethi= ng similar probably could be set up with the Org room, or a dedicated Org-dev = room (I=E2=80=99m aware of Bastien=E2=80=99s thoughts on wanting development and= help to not be separated, but while I like the idea of them living in the same space, I=E2= =80=99m personally a big fan of categorisation. For instance, we could make an org-= mode space with a few different rooms: org-dev, org-help, org-showcase, org-chat, etc.). With regards to accessibility, I think Matrix is also reaching a rather good point. The current state of affairs includes an Emacs client, a host of dedicated apps, in-browser web clients, and more. While the ability to peru= se archives has not yet been developed, it is also possible to copy a link to a particular message, and so a conversation can be transferred from Matrix to= the ML with a link to the initial conversation, e.g. All the best, Timothy --=-=-=--