* Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
@ 2013-02-21 11:56 Rainer M Krug
2013-02-22 13:39 ` Bastien
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From: Rainer M Krug @ 2013-02-21 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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Hi
I am using org-mode from git and compile it.
I would like to use the org-notmuch module in the contrib directory, and I activate it using:
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-mode/contrib/lisp")
(require 'org-notmuch)
But, as Suvayo pointed out to me, in default.mk it says:
# Define if you want to include some (or all) files from contrib/lisp
# just the filename please (no path prefix, no .el suffix), maybe with globbing
#ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-e-* org-md org-export # e.g. the new exporter
So I would have to add
ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-notmuch
to the local.mk file
Nevertheless, I would like to stick with a configutration which uses the normal compiled version
and all configurations are in one file (emacs.org), so I would prefer the require... approach.
But I would like to have some clarification, what the differences are between the two approaches
and if (and if yes, why) it would be advisable to use the second approach.
Thanks lot,
Rainer
PS: I update my git almost daily via the following script:
#############################3
#!/bin/sh
cd ~/.emacs.d/org-mode-git/org-mode
git checkout master
git fetch --tags origin
git pull
git gc
git checkout master
make clean
make
make autoloads
make doc
make info
#############################3
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-21 11:56 Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git? Rainer M Krug
@ 2013-02-22 13:39 ` Bastien
2013-02-22 14:08 ` Rainer M Krug
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2013-02-22 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rainer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Rainer,
Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
> #ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-e-* org-md org-export # e.g. the new exporter
The comment above was outdated since org-e-* files don't exist
anymore. I updated it.
> So I would have to add
>
> ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-notmuch
>
> to the local.mk file
This is correct and will tell Org to compile and install
org-notmuch.el.
But you will still have to require it in your configuration.
> Nevertheless, I would like to stick with a configutration which uses the normal compiled version
> and all configurations are in one file (emacs.org), so I would prefer the require... approach.
Compiling, installing and requiring are three different things.
The makefile rules take care of the first two, while your config
file needs to take care of the third one in any case.
If you set the load-path to include the "contrib/lisp/" directory,
then you don't need to install org-notmuch, and (require 'org-notmuch)
will find it.
If you don't want to bother setting the load-path for "contrib/lisp/"
then you want to install Org. In this case, org-notmuch will not be
installed unless you add the "ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-notmuch" rule.
> But I would like to have some clarification, what the differences are between the two approaches
> and if (and if yes, why) it would be advisable to use the second
> approach.
I hope the above clarifies things.
I don't install Org files, I use them from the git repo and configure
the require accordingly.
> PS: I update my git almost daily via the following script:
This should be enough
#############################
#!/bin/sh
cd ~/.emacs.d/org-mode-git/org-mode
make update
#############################
HTH,
--
Bastien
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-22 13:39 ` Bastien
@ 2013-02-22 14:08 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-02-22 14:32 ` Bastien
2013-02-22 21:17 ` Achim Gratz
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Rainer M Krug @ 2013-02-22 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien, Rainer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
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On 22/02/13 14:39, Bastien wrote:
> Hi Rainer,
>
> Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> #ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-e-* org-md org-export # e.g. the new exporter
>
> The comment above was outdated since org-e-* files don't exist anymore. I updated it.
Didn't realise that...
>
>> So I would have to add
>>
>> ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = org-notmuch
>>
>> to the local.mk file
>
> This is correct and will tell Org to compile and install org-notmuch.el.
>
> But you will still have to require it in your configuration.
Ok - that makes sense. I just checked in my contrib/lisp and I only have .el there, so none are
compiled.
>
>> Nevertheless, I would like to stick with a configutration which uses the normal compiled
>> version and all configurations are in one file (emacs.org), so I would prefer the require...
>> approach.
>
> Compiling, installing and requiring are three different things.
>
> The makefile rules take care of the first two, while your config file needs to take care of the
> third one in any case.
Ok.
>
> If you set the load-path to include the "contrib/lisp/" directory, then you don't need to
> install org-notmuch, and (require 'org-notmuch) will find it.
Well - I don't install org, but just specify the load-path, so I have to specify that one as well.
No problem.
>
> If you don't want to bother setting the load-path for "contrib/lisp/" then you want to install
> Org. In this case, org-notmuch will not be installed unless you add the "ORG_ADD_CONTRIB =
> org-notmuch" rule.
Ok - makes sense.
>
>> But I would like to have some clarification, what the differences are between the two
>> approaches and if (and if yes, why) it would be advisable to use the second approach.
>
> I hope the above clarifies things.
Absolutely - thanks.
>
> I don't install Org files, I use them from the git repo and configure the require accordingly.
>
Yes - that is what I am doing as well.
Just for clarifications: is there any problem with adding
ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = *
to the local.mk file, apart from slightly longer compilation times?
>
>> PS: I update my git almost daily via the following script:
>
> This should be enough
>
> ############################# #!/bin/sh cd ~/.emacs.d/org-mode-git/org-mode make update
> #############################
Ok - I'll change it accordingly.
Thanks a lot,
Rainer
>
> HTH,
>
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-22 14:08 ` Rainer M Krug
@ 2013-02-22 14:32 ` Bastien
2013-02-22 15:42 ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-22 21:17 ` Achim Gratz
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2013-02-22 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rainer M Krug; +Cc: Rainer, emacs-orgmode
Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
> Just for clarifications: is there any problem with adding
>
> ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = *
>
> to the local.mk file, apart from slightly longer compilation times?
This should be okay, but it's not safe. If any non-emacs-lisp
file gets added to contrib/lisp/ (e.g. a README file) then you
will try to compile non-elisp files. *\.el is safer.
--
Bastien
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-22 14:32 ` Bastien
@ 2013-02-22 15:42 ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-25 10:00 ` Rainer M Krug
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Achim Gratz @ 2013-02-22 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org> writes:
> > Just for clarifications: is there any problem with adding
> >
> > ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = *
> >
> > to the local.mk file, apart from slightly longer compilation times?
>
> This should be okay, but it's not safe. If any non-emacs-lisp
> file gets added to contrib/lisp/ (e.g. a README file) then you
> will try to compile non-elisp files. *\.el is safer.
This is a globbing pattern, not a regular expression, hence: "*.el", but that
would also pull in htmlize which you most likely don't want, so you might follow
the lead in server.mk and make that "org-*" or "org-*.el" if you are worried
that the Org maintainer forgets that only lisp files should go into the lisp
directory. :-)
Regards,
Achim.
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-22 14:08 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-02-22 14:32 ` Bastien
@ 2013-02-22 21:17 ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-25 10:05 ` Rainer M Krug
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Achim Gratz @ 2013-02-22 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Rainer M Krug writes:
> Ok - that makes sense. I just checked in my contrib/lisp and I only have .el there, so none are
> compiled.
Look in lisp, not contrib/lisp.
>> If you set the load-path to include the "contrib/lisp/" directory, then you don't need to
>> install org-notmuch, and (require 'org-notmuch) will find it.
>
> Well - I don't install org, but just specify the load-path, so I have to specify that one as well.
> No problem.
No, you don't want that if you use ORG_ADD_CONTRIB.
> Yes - that is what I am doing as well.
Just curious, what would change for you if you installed Org into a user
directory (besides using "make up2" instead of "make update")?
> Just for clarifications: is there any problem with adding
>
> ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = *
>
> to the local.mk file, apart from slightly longer compilation times?
Yes, you don't want all of contrib (htmlize.el in particular).
>>> PS: I update my git almost daily via the following script:
>>
>> This should be enough
Actually, the "git checkout master" at the beginning should probably
stay there as a defensive measure.
Regards,
Achim.
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-22 15:42 ` Achim Gratz
@ 2013-02-25 10:00 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-02-25 10:19 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Rainer M Krug @ 2013-02-25 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Achim Gratz, emacs-orgmode, Bastien
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On 22/02/13 16:42, Achim Gratz wrote:
> Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org> writes:
>>> Just for clarifications: is there any problem with adding
>>>
>>> ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = *
>>>
>>> to the local.mk file, apart from slightly longer compilation times?
>>
>> This should be okay, but it's not safe. If any non-emacs-lisp file gets added to
>> contrib/lisp/ (e.g. a README file) then you will try to compile non-elisp files. *\.el is
>> safer.
>
> This is a globbing pattern, not a regular expression, hence: "*.el", but that would also pull
> in htmlize which you most likely don't want, so you might follow the lead in server.mk and make
> that "org-*" or "org-*.el" if you are worried that the Org maintainer forgets that only lisp
> files should go into the lisp directory. :-)
Thanks Bastien and Achim - I will then use "org-*.el"
Quick follow up question - what is the value for the Ubuntu package?
Rainer
>
>
> Regards, Achim.
>
>
>
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-22 21:17 ` Achim Gratz
@ 2013-02-25 10:05 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-02-25 17:37 ` Achim Gratz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Rainer M Krug @ 2013-02-25 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Achim Gratz, emacs-orgmode
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On 22/02/13 22:17, Achim Gratz wrote:
> Rainer M Krug writes:
>> Ok - that makes sense. I just checked in my contrib/lisp and I only have .el there, so none
>> are compiled.
>
> Look in lisp, not contrib/lisp.
True - because it compiles it there.
>
>>> If you set the load-path to include the "contrib/lisp/" directory, then you don't need to
>>> install org-notmuch, and (require 'org-notmuch) will find it.
>>
>> Well - I don't install org, but just specify the load-path, so I have to specify that one as
>> well. No problem.
>
> No, you don't want that if you use ORG_ADD_CONTRIB.
Absolutely - if I use ORG_ADD_CONTRIB I don't want / need it, but If I don't, I do.
>
>> Yes - that is what I am doing as well.
>
> Just curious, what would change for you if you installed Org into a user directory (besides
> using "make up2" instead of "make update")?
Well - I could and I guess nothing would change. Why I like my setup at the moment is, that I have
all emacs config, installation and elpa in my .emacs.d directory. Would this be the same after
using "make up2"? Would I have to change paths somewhere?
>
>> Just for clarifications: is there any problem with adding
>>
>> ORG_ADD_CONTRIB = *
>>
>> to the local.mk file, apart from slightly longer compilation times?
>
> Yes, you don't want all of contrib (htmlize.el in particular).
Makes sense - changed it as described in the other email.
>
>>>> PS: I update my git almost daily via the following script:
>>>
>>> This should be enough
>
> Actually, the "git checkout master" at the beginning should probably stay there as a defensive
> measure.
Ok - I just re-activate this command - shouldn't hurt.
Thanks a lot,
Rainer
>
>
> Regards, Achim.
>
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-25 10:00 ` Rainer M Krug
@ 2013-02-25 10:19 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2013-02-25 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rainer M Krug; +Cc: Achim Gratz, emacs-orgmode
Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
> Quick follow up question - what is the value for the Ubuntu package?
I'm not using Ubuntu so I don't know, sorry!
--
Bastien
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* Re: Correct / best way of loading packages in contrib when using org compiled from git?
2013-02-25 10:05 ` Rainer M Krug
@ 2013-02-25 17:37 ` Achim Gratz
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Achim Gratz @ 2013-02-25 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Rainer M Krug writes:
> Well - I could and I guess nothing would change. Why I like my setup at the moment is, that I have
> all emacs config, installation and elpa in my .emacs.d directory. Would this be the same after
> using "make up2"? Would I have to change paths somewhere?
You can install Org wherever you like if you let your Emacs
configuration find it. You need to put suitable definitions for lispdir
datadir and infodir into local.mk, the easiest way is probably to just
point prefix at your emacs.d (you must use the absolute path, not the
tilde abbreviation ~/...). Check the result of these changes with "make
config" before you first install.
Regards,
Achim.
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