* Confusing org-cycle invocation when cursor is in invisible text
@ 2017-12-15 20:51 Ruy Exel
2017-12-25 22:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Ruy Exel @ 2017-12-15 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-org list
I feel this issue might have already been raised here but after
researching it I could not find anything relevant. So please ignore
this message and excuse me if I am returning to something already
discussed in this group.
Consider the following simple tree structure
-----
* Trees
** Pine
It is a conifer
** Oak
Place cursor here ->
It belongs to the genus Quercus
-----
If you place the cursor where indicated (i.e. after the sentence
"Place cursor here ->" above) and press <Shift-TAB> (org-shifttab),
your buffer will show
* Trees...
with the cursor placed on the first of the three dots. If you then go
to the kitchen to prepare a coffee and come back, you will probably
not going to remember where the cursor was before the visibility went
to the OVERVIEW state. Suppose you then decide to expand your tree by
pressing <TAB> (org-cycle) without having changed cursor position. In
this case your buffer will turn to
* Trees...
** Oak
Place cursor here ->
It belongs to the genus Quercus
and you might then be led to thinking that your header "Trees" has
only one sub-header, namely "Oak". Yes I know that the three dots
after "Trees" is meant to indicate that there is still some hidden
text but, given that your intention was to expand "Trees" and that you
pressed the correct key for this purpose you might (incorrectly) feel
assured that you achieved the appropriate goal and hence not pay due
attention to the three dots.
The point I want to raise is that I believe users should not be
required to remember the position of the cursor when it falls inside
hiddent text. Even more so, the state of the system at any given time
should not depend on said position.
Thus, after the first press of <Shift-TAB>, above, the cursor should
go by default to the beginning (maybe the end) of the hidden text.
By the way, this behavior is already adopted when text becomes hidden
due to a call to org-table-toggle-column-width.
Regards,
Ruy
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* Re: Confusing org-cycle invocation when cursor is in invisible text
2017-12-15 20:51 Confusing org-cycle invocation when cursor is in invisible text Ruy Exel
@ 2017-12-25 22:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-12-25 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ruy Exel; +Cc: emacs-org list
Hello,
Ruy Exel <ruyexel@gmail.com> writes:
> Consider the following simple tree structure
>
> -----
>
> * Trees
> ** Pine
> It is a conifer
> ** Oak
> Place cursor here ->
> It belongs to the genus Quercus
>
> -----
>
> If you place the cursor where indicated (i.e. after the sentence
> "Place cursor here ->" above) and press <Shift-TAB> (org-shifttab),
> your buffer will show
>
> * Trees...
>
> with the cursor placed on the first of the three dots. If you then go
> to the kitchen to prepare a coffee and come back, you will probably
> not going to remember where the cursor was before the visibility went
> to the OVERVIEW state. Suppose you then decide to expand your tree by
> pressing <TAB> (org-cycle) without having changed cursor position. In
> this case your buffer will turn to
>
> * Trees...
> ** Oak
> Place cursor here ->
> It belongs to the genus Quercus
>
> and you might then be led to thinking that your header "Trees" has
> only one sub-header, namely "Oak". Yes I know that the three dots
> after "Trees" is meant to indicate that there is still some hidden
> text but, given that your intention was to expand "Trees" and that you
> pressed the correct key for this purpose you might (incorrectly) feel
> assured that you achieved the appropriate goal and hence not pay due
> attention to the three dots.
>
> The point I want to raise is that I believe users should not be
> required to remember the position of the cursor when it falls inside
> hiddent text. Even more so, the state of the system at any given time
> should not depend on said position.
>
> Thus, after the first press of <Shift-TAB>, above, the cursor should
> go by default to the beginning (maybe the end) of the hidden text.
I agree the current situation is not satisfactory, but I also think TAB
or S-TAB should never, ever, move point. For example, I use S-TAB to get
a quick overview of the structure of the document.
I fixed this by making TAB show more when called from an invisible part
of the buffer.
Thank you for the report.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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