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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664101850; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=0jWUIKIJukh/eq0vBNtzgd4/tX0sHZG44tK7lnAMmYM=; b=Q/rBcFmu9FaALxEa0gA1ttEIaA5EXevKsBcb0gGlBPlQGvoaQmvqKEscugprnOwuh+wLAq PcuMxW44nsrMtGplFTnuLWj87ffoQhgl3TYwGjTVuTv9HCDcoN/LYjfTEhGn5iesxt8OlS buDLhLNdkBcRfeLNzSGUoZ1jOflNmL0l4ZlvYzFuznb1ipMF6fuDg+c6uDwvF7NHfkNmwe R2LeF9V7d7JYpbajbDdHp0OKhFZgtI+PkW0kG5IMO2Swn/vNBiUzRSrZQPIC8HnUmBEtVy P5Fui4JTwCoMtrdX4SF7to/nWe4AsXRaV3ospBE0H/+wAHjvYMNICcG/xP2XSw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664101850; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aH8DkUDBilsgPxV+huZvPpmMjhpBMhV+w8/Hj/aLWa0He+y1GOlNcq31dE8hpXJkz5IsBA yOAijxTmHQxuc2UERdI8WgeiwYXo6Ureo7aLWQy45x4roCTpU+6G+sRlibjoYr62pUoydV HPiI3sgT3GfuQzqI5tPW8Fg3c36QGpnMRAG2dUAZ+HFeEb5CsuWjaTx9NhfxTIidOdATEE ji6vSnEKQEO0lDXAt6vn5xZ3wC/ihddXIM8Kv5oDYRTZ024WFMMBmywpJ3Rj9Wjr2rLr/G 9OeP21U/1OTAhsZngxBCe+hahvUK80TRMaDlYmwACD3G6F0BpKinT6O7JFsDWQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=hnUZhIm5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.55 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=hnUZhIm5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 25C5D40460 X-Spam-Score: -3.55 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: A0M/MDZaSsKG Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: >> IMHO if someone with UX/UI experience can/wants to interview real Org >> newcomers, that will help us a lot for deciding about such tiny changes. > > Unfortunately, it can be quite hard to find such people on the ML etc. (f= unny > about that =F0=9F=98=9B). I'm copying Eduardo who volunteered in the past for this kind of work. > For what it=E2=80=99s worth, when doing the original website re-design I = went to some > effort to get the thoughts of people who don=E2=80=99t use Org to make su= re it did a > decent job communicating the essentials. Definitely an ingredient of why your work improved the situation a lot! > With regards to the current banner, I=E2=80=99m inclined to remove the re= port bug text: > having that as well as the badge-link is simply confusing, and the badge-= link to > the feedback page is better. > We can also add a source code badge using the git icon and linking to > , and I=E2=80=99d = then be inclined > to remove the =E2=80=9CRepository =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D text for similar rea= sons. I'd definitely love to get more feedback on this: I don't think the current banner is *that* cluttered, and the info about the repo and the way to send bug reports seems really useful - but perhaps that's just me. Please go ahead with what seems better to you (especially since it matches Ihor's preferences too), but if Eduardo has some time to help, it be great to really stabilize what kind of info is expected on this banner. Thanks! --=20 Bastien