From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id 2M9QIK+udWSxxwAASxT56A (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 30 May 2023 10:07:11 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id 2B8aIK+udWQA6AAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 30 May 2023 10:07:11 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 526768A63 for ; Tue, 30 May 2023 10:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3uMm-0003Gc-LS; Tue, 30 May 2023 04:06:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3uMh-0003GU-Jn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 04:06:00 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3uMf-0005yt-Ak for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 04:05:58 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC470240027 for ; Tue, 30 May 2023 10:05:55 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1685433955; bh=ljT//K1ksj5+HU1p8uwIKHf5HQbNMjQifLo7TIlwP/M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=AR85DLkyo0L3CLSpfuPbRAdOT6KYdaGjY5plZ7E/+oYkKBFvE443FhYl6S3l3/u48 IVsGr5h+daBelk5JCVTfDr5Ynx9NT7VbwLFKc/BrNV9djPAMDDQ5JsiniN4s3jdkIS 0iV8JkFI/eN+6cjGIf+7bzkciehq3srOeGKpOZdBBzqEAwLkwvMASn3HWqykpxACLX 2Z86iaROvxZmPrXJEmhML8Ev23ASZmn1eXcwvmRBo5YsRjkz0Ro4DHq1/R37u6QWmD H8nJytW2Q4iw7rQ0BR2KtsjbV3WuGbLw0yRqIzKeQ5pe+gbryWEZy/rJDHrYd/vT2Y yqLtexfF6Ur9w== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QVlMQ5Ddgz6tvJ; Tue, 30 May 2023 10:05:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Max Nikulin Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Unable to install from elpa In-Reply-To: References: <878rdbwlf3.fsf@localhost> Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 08:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: <87ilcai6je.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1685434031; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=r12QABiiPaFv76s8aZ+uEIVq2lQ/AVS6K9prBwiSphoB1tLwscjdErxBJ+bWPad+SSMGYi I365LuB7dYjHfxjrwkVaYfLdERpJd3kbtJEqOsvnpK+3mtiu6Mb6D8ovT38eM0gDpgmY7J +XJhz7InuS60guHDLQdJrYsjpaX0x73iWJ+dyL+f3d/NAlYaJsXeu1pOUGvjQS2O8UHPC+ F9gGnKF3/eBCodwWcNmQIsH4ScVbAiTxqVH6EEB06HeF4xfV7TFI0zevCG2v+PtW3QVm2+ LS12g+nCwuqrTHOOcb0o+ApfXwqZ6cbQqb13lNNMyMbpbW4ynGn55wXdi5if8Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=AR85DLky; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1685434031; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=alp3eD+KYf1FACUj4Ozw5980fu6b1hNC/TV4zHWJW94=; b=bMj1PnOEBSL2knv37XaFLgYooSlyq3k7OeRXKxK4NWUrmTG0ZJTHhWse9LeFDVrIpoSTbD nOiJqpY8rDEpYU+4pxrLWp7+706R+fJTABdqM80PlHrrDAStJDc1Q0B0fvF6vHyIfwD/Fh AJEkGeaiN7uRqX1BkO4/e8kODWWg0ANBe/u9kLjj2pXzOFn6qtDx699HO1shzgzEiDjfrX QqqdxJAtnVfBw6DWratpaExzveROj4haYLeKfDuexQQe+lnlTX0xOm0UB/oUW3c0eaBKE2 t7xhZ42Gf12QrtHWkAB/im4g8Bwef/E7h6tL0EXawkQ57Culo5jgtzNd0QdQlg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.38 X-Spam-Score: -8.38 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 526768A63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=AR85DLky; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: kZNy1PBy+2NE Max Nikulin writes: >> The first instance of M-x package-install org comes from >> ELPA itself. Considering that ELPA is targeting various Emacs versions, >> it should probably be corrected there first. > > Generally agree, but I am skeptical concerning changes in ELPA since > only minority of packages are affected. All the built-in packages will be affected. Let's first try to report and see what the reply is. https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=63800 >> The second instance in README.org may then be altered according to what >> ELPA devs do. > > Users may open README.org outside of ELPA. "To install a more recent > version..." is is not enough even for coming Emacs-29 since the default > value for `package-install-upgrade-built-in' is nil. Sure. But, as I said, let's first ask Emacs devs what will be the best formulation for alternative instructions. I do not want to invent something when we can just ask others. > Another pitfall with install instruction in an .org file is that if the > file is opened in Emacs < 29 then package.el generates mixed-versions > .elc files. A precaution is necessary that `list-packages' should be run > in a clean emacs session, not the one with README.org. Let's not think about this too much just yet. We are still discussing ways to improve `org-assert-version'. Maybe extra instructions here are not necessary. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at