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From: Bastien <bzg@altern.org>
To: mail@christianmoe.com
Cc: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>,
	Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: About commit named "Allow multi-line properties to be specified in property blocks"
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:35:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hb2mo7ek.fsf@altern.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EAF118C.8050806@christianmoe.com> (Christian Moe's message of "Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:22:20 +0100")

Dear all,

here is my take on this issue.

First of all, sorry that the #+begin_property caused confusion, 
I'm the one responsible as I suggested this suggestion to Eric.

I can see three issues:

1) Consistent syntax for #+xxx and #+begin_xxx?

   Nicolas point is valid -- #+begin_xxx syntax is about content and
   formatting, not about Org's internal.  #+xxx is mostly about Org's
   internals (#+author, #+date, #+property, etc) and sometimes about
   content, as a convenient way of inserting one-line content block
   (#+html, #+LaTeX, etc)

   #+begin_property does not fit well into this picture.

2) "Cumulative properties"?

   Org's manual describes #+property like this:
 
   `#+PROPERTY: Property_Name Value'
       This line sets a default inheritance value for entries in the
       current buffer, most useful for specifying the allowed values 
       of a property.

   Note that #+property: var foo=1 does *not* fit into the syntax
   described above.  It is more something like

   `#+PROPERTY: var Variable_Name=Value'

   Hence the problem of accumulating the "values" of "var", which 
   is not really a property name, but some syntactic clue to bind
   Variable_Name to its value.

   Here is a suggestion: use a syntaxe like
 
   #+var: foo 1

   The difference between #+property and #+var would be that #+var 
   is for setting general purpoes (elisp) variables, while #+property
   is for Org internals.  Sorry if such a proposal has already been
   made and discussed.  

   My feeling is that `org-accumulated-properties-alist' is complex
   and can be avoided -- but I need to think more about this.

3) Wrapping/folding long #+xxx lines?

   This is an independant request -- see Robert McIntyre's recent
   question on the list.  The problem is that fill-paragraph on
   long #+xxx lines breaks the line into comment lines, which is 
   wrong.  Filling like this:

   #+TBLFM: @3$1=@1$1+@2$1::@3$2=@1$2+@2$2::...::...
          : @3$2=@1$2+@2$2::...
          : @3$2=@1$2+@2$2::...

   would feel more natural, at least to me.  But maybe generalizing
   the #+begin_xxx syntax for *all* #+xxx keywords.  This would make the
   current org-internals-oriented/content-oriented difference between
   #+xxx and #+begin_xxx obsolete, but this would spare us the cost of
   new syntax.  Curious about input about this as well.

Cheers,

-- 
 Bastien

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-11-02 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-31 19:06 About commit named "Allow multi-line properties to be specified in property blocks" Nicolas Goaziou
2011-10-31 20:05 ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-31 20:49   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-10-31 21:30     ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01  8:24       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-11-01  8:36         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-11-01 14:36           ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01 15:39             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-11-01 16:58               ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01 17:48                 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-01 19:02                   ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01 19:45                     ` Christian Moe
2011-11-01 20:22                       ` Eric Schulte
2011-10-31 21:33     ` Christian Moe
2011-10-31 21:22   ` Christian Moe
2011-10-31 21:36     ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-01  7:33       ` Christian Moe
2011-11-02 15:35     ` Bastien [this message]
2011-11-02 17:39       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-11-03  1:26         ` Bastien
2011-11-03  8:08           ` Christian Moe
2011-11-03 15:10             ` Nick Dokos
2011-11-03 18:32           ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-03 20:01             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-11-03 20:18               ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-03 20:23             ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-04  8:02               ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-04 17:48                 ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2011-11-04 19:25                   ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-07 22:09                     ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-08  8:42                       ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-08  9:31                       ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-11-08  9:41                         ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-08  9:58                           ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-11-08 10:06                             ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-08 14:42                               ` Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2011-11-08 15:06                                 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-11-08 16:03                               ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-08 22:53                                 ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-09  8:25                                   ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-09 16:12                                     ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-09 17:18                                       ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-09 22:31                                       ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-11-15 12:33                                         ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-15 16:00                                           ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-15 16:37                                             ` Torsten Wagner
2011-11-15 16:56                                               ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-15 17:13                                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-11-15 18:22                                                   ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-15 17:24                                             ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-08  9:41                 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-11-08  9:44                   ` Rainer M Krug
2011-11-08 16:01                     ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-02 21:05 ` Samuel Wales
2011-11-02 21:21   ` Samuel Wales
2011-11-03  1:42   ` Bastien
2011-11-03  8:19     ` Christian Moe
2011-11-03 18:34     ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-03 18:59       ` Eric Schulte
2011-11-09 17:40       ` Samuel Wales

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