From: Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: org-cite and org-citeproc
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 08:42:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h9szg8io.fsf@berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2iodgade2.fsf@tsdye.com
Hi Tom and all,
Thanks for answering my questions!
tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
> With natbib, it is possible to give a pre-note and a post-note to the
> citation as a whole, but not to individual citations within it. In
> order to support your syntax fully, I think BibLaTeX is needed.
OK, good to know.
>> (Also, do you think it is important to support plain BibTeX at all? It
>> seems like we should not bother with this problem unless it's important
>> for a lot of people. I personally would be fine with just targeting
>> BibLaTeX, and it sounds like Eric would be too.)
>
> Well, one benefit of Aaron's function was to make this choice
> superfluous, both now and in the future. It binds the two citation
> commands you've implemented to citation commands implemented in
> CITATION_STYLE. As Aaron notes, it should be easy to modify this (to
> bind additional commands) when advanced citation support comes along.
I think I have to retract what I said earlier: I doubt this part of
Aaron's code still works in my branch, because I think Aaron was
assuming citation objects contain just one reference; in my branch, I've
merged in the parser support Nicolas later implemented for multi-cite
citations. So a CITATION_MODE needs to know how to turn a list of
works, each with associated prefix and suffix data, into a complete
citation command.
This complicates things enough that probably custom citation modes
should be defined as Lisp functions, rather than via format
strings...what do you think?
I'm still having a hard time seeing what an analogous customization
would look like for non-LaTeX backends. The LaTeX exporter is unique in
that Org produces output which must then be further processed by another
tool, so having customizable control over how a citation `looks' to that
tool makes sense. But in other backends, the Org exporter itself
produces the final document; there's no intermediate representation
besides Org's own, plus whatever arguments are passed to a citation
processing tool like org-citeproc. So, if that's right, the analogous
customization in a non-LaTeX backend would be something like a filter,
one that pre-processes citation objects before they are run through the
external tool, or that post-processes the strings that come back (or
both). Does that make sense? Certainly, both of those things are
possible.
> Typically, a bibliography style file defines several citation commands,
> which might belong to one or more modes. ...
> I think you might be able to merge CSL_FILE and CITATION_STYLE, since
> they both point to a style file.
OK, I see, that makes things clearer. Would it make sense to have two
keywords, say LATEX_CITE_STYLE and CSL_FILE or similar, so that the
style can vary independently when exporting to LaTeX vs. non-LaTeX? I'm
thinking it will be tricky to come up with a single set of values for a
CITATION_STYLE keyword that can be correctly mapped to both kinds of
backend. Or maybe CITATION_STYLE should have "sub"-keywords, like
#+CITATION_STYLE: biblatex:authoryear csl:chicago-author-date.csl
or something similar?
Best,
Richard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-01 15:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-28 18:53 org-cite and org-citeproc Richard Lawrence
2015-03-31 8:16 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-03-31 19:13 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-03-31 19:34 ` Nick Dokos
2015-03-31 20:29 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-31 21:57 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-01 0:41 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-04-01 15:42 ` Richard Lawrence [this message]
2015-04-01 19:41 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-04-02 15:57 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-02 16:45 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-03-31 21:12 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-04-01 7:49 ` Andreas Leha
2015-04-02 14:29 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-04-02 15:11 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-02 19:26 ` Andreas Leha
2015-03-31 22:03 ` Rasmus
2015-04-01 14:39 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-02 0:08 ` Rasmus
2015-04-02 15:26 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-02 15:51 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-04-02 17:38 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-06 18:51 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-06-16 19:36 ` Matt Price
2015-06-18 22:44 ` Richard Lawrence
2015-04-02 19:17 ` Rasmus
2015-04-03 2:56 ` Richard Lawrence
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