* Behavior of `org-show-entry'
@ 2017-02-05 20:11 Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-05 22:03 ` Kyle Meyer
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-02-05 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
I do a lot of my Org navigation with `helm-org-in-buffer-headings' and
`helm-org-agenda-files-headings', which prompt you for an org heading,
then take you there.
I'm always annoyed that, once you're at the heading, it leaves it in
a half-open state where you can see the immediate text of the target
entry, but all of its child entries are replaced by an ellipses.
* Target Heading
Drawers and text
... # ellipses instead of child headings
* Next Heading
You then have to hit <tab> twice to see the children.
The helm commands end by calling `org-show-entry', which first does
this:
(outline-flag-region
(max (point-min) (1- (point)))
(save-excursion
(if (re-search-forward
(concat "[\r\n]\\(" org-outline-regexp "\\)") nil t)
(match-beginning 1)
(point-max)))
nil)
Which leaves the heading in the state described above, and then does
this:
(org-cycle-hide-drawers 'children)
Which has no effect.
I'm not really sure what the purpose of `outline-flag-region' is, but
I'm pretty sure this isn't the desired effect. The call to
`org-cycle-hide-drawers' should reveal children, isn't that right?
Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?
Thanks!
Eric
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* Re: Behavior of `org-show-entry'
2017-02-05 20:11 Behavior of `org-show-entry' Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2017-02-05 22:03 ` Kyle Meyer
2017-02-05 23:16 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kyle Meyer @ 2017-02-05 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Abrahamsen, emacs-orgmode
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> I do a lot of my Org navigation with `helm-org-in-buffer-headings' and
> `helm-org-agenda-files-headings', which prompt you for an org heading,
> then take you there.
>
> I'm always annoyed that, once you're at the heading, it leaves it in
> a half-open state where you can see the immediate text of the target
> entry, but all of its child entries are replaced by an ellipses.
>
> * Target Heading
> Drawers and text
> ... # ellipses instead of child headings
> * Next Heading
>
> You then have to hit <tab> twice to see the children.
>
> The helm commands end by calling `org-show-entry', which first does
> this:
>
> (outline-flag-region
> (max (point-min) (1- (point)))
> (save-excursion
> (if (re-search-forward
> (concat "[\r\n]\\(" org-outline-regexp "\\)") nil t)
> (match-beginning 1)
> (point-max)))
> nil)
>
> Which leaves the heading in the state described above, and then does
> this:
>
> (org-cycle-hide-drawers 'children)
>
> Which has no effect.
>
> I'm not really sure what the purpose of `outline-flag-region' is, but
> I'm pretty sure this isn't the desired effect.
Based on how org-show-entry calls it, outline-flag-region shows the text
from the current heading to the next. So it seems to behave as
documented: "[s]how the body directly following this heading".
> The call to `org-cycle-hide-drawers' should reveal children, isn't
> that right?
The purpose isn't to reveal the child headings (I don't understand why
the argument is called "children"), but to hide the drawers.
Without the org-cycle-hide-drawers call, org-show-entry would expand
* TODO blah...
to
* TODO blah
SCHEDULED: <2017-02-12 Sun .+1w>
:PROPERTIES:
:LAST_REPEAT: [2017-02-05 Sun 16:31]
:END:
:LOGBOOK:
- State "DONE" from "TODO" [2017-02-05 Sun 16:31]
:END:
instead of
* TODO blah
SCHEDULED: <2017-02-12 Sun .+1w>
:PROPERTIES:...
:LOGBOOK:...
> Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?
Perhaps helm could call org-show-children after it calls org-show-entry.
--
Kyle
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* Re: Behavior of `org-show-entry'
2017-02-05 22:03 ` Kyle Meyer
@ 2017-02-05 23:16 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-06 0:31 ` Kyle Meyer
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-02-05 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com> writes:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> I do a lot of my Org navigation with `helm-org-in-buffer-headings' and
>> `helm-org-agenda-files-headings', which prompt you for an org heading,
>> then take you there.
>>
>> I'm always annoyed that, once you're at the heading, it leaves it in
>> a half-open state where you can see the immediate text of the target
>> entry, but all of its child entries are replaced by an ellipses.
>>
>> * Target Heading
>> Drawers and text
>> ... # ellipses instead of child headings
>> * Next Heading
>>
>> You then have to hit <tab> twice to see the children.
>>
>> The helm commands end by calling `org-show-entry', which first does
>> this:
>>
>> (outline-flag-region
>> (max (point-min) (1- (point)))
>> (save-excursion
>> (if (re-search-forward
>> (concat "[\r\n]\\(" org-outline-regexp "\\)") nil t)
>> (match-beginning 1)
>> (point-max)))
>> nil)
>>
>> Which leaves the heading in the state described above, and then does
>> this:
>>
>> (org-cycle-hide-drawers 'children)
>>
>> Which has no effect.
>>
>> I'm not really sure what the purpose of `outline-flag-region' is, but
>> I'm pretty sure this isn't the desired effect.
>
> Based on how org-show-entry calls it, outline-flag-region shows the text
> from the current heading to the next. So it seems to behave as
> documented: "[s]how the body directly following this heading".
Okay, but I still don't see how this would ever be the desired result.
You can't get to *any* next visibility state without first wasting a
<tab>.
>> The call to `org-cycle-hide-drawers' should reveal children, isn't
>> that right?
>
> The purpose isn't to reveal the child headings (I don't understand why
> the argument is called "children"), but to hide the drawers.
Weird! But thank you for doing the thinking I was apparently too lazy to
do :)
[...]
>> Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?
>
> Perhaps helm could call org-show-children after it calls org-show-entry.
Okay, cool. I guess my main question was: should this be fixed in helm,
or in org? I'll try clobbering the helm functions for a while and see
how that goes, then raise this on the helm list.
Thanks for your help,
Eric
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* Re: Behavior of `org-show-entry'
2017-02-05 23:16 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2017-02-06 0:31 ` Kyle Meyer
2017-02-06 13:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kyle Meyer @ 2017-02-06 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com> writes:
[...]
>> Based on how org-show-entry calls it, outline-flag-region shows the text
>> from the current heading to the next. So it seems to behave as
>> documented: "[s]how the body directly following this heading".
>
> Okay, but I still don't see how this would ever be the desired result.
> You can't get to *any* next visibility state without first wasting a
> <tab>.
Yeah, fair enough. I can't think of a situation where I would desire
that result either. But I think org-show-entry probably should behave
this way to be consistent with outline-show-entry.
>>> Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?
>>
>> Perhaps helm could call org-show-children after it calls org-show-entry.
>
> Okay, cool. I guess my main question was: should this be fixed in helm,
> or in org? I'll try clobbering the helm functions for a while and see
> how that goes, then raise this on the helm list.
Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
(org-show-entry)
(org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
docstring. Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
don't know about.
--
Kyle
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* Re: Behavior of `org-show-entry'
2017-02-06 0:31 ` Kyle Meyer
@ 2017-02-06 13:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-06 17:18 ` Kyle Meyer
2017-02-06 17:29 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2017-02-06 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kyle Meyer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com> writes:
> Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
> change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
>
> (org-show-entry)
> (org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
>
> which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
> docstring. Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
> don't know about.
See `org-show-context' and `org-reveal'.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Behavior of `org-show-entry'
2017-02-06 13:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2017-02-06 17:18 ` Kyle Meyer
2017-02-06 17:29 ` Eric Abrahamsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kyle Meyer @ 2017-02-06 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com> writes:
>
>> Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
>> change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
>>
>> (org-show-entry)
>> (org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
>>
>> which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
>> docstring. Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
>> don't know about.
>
> See `org-show-context' and `org-reveal'.
Sadly, I had already seen these, and I still answered what I did :)
It seems like, with the default value of org-show-context-detail,
(org-show-context 'agenda) will show the desired view of
* a
a body
** aa...
* b
So, do you recommend that, assuming helm wants this view after jumping
to a heading, it calls (org-show-set-visibility 'local)? Or should it
use its own key, something like (org-show-context 'helm), so that users
can customize the key in org-show-context-detail? Or something else?
Thanks.
--
Kyle
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* Re: Behavior of `org-show-entry'
2017-02-06 13:11 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-06 17:18 ` Kyle Meyer
@ 2017-02-06 17:29 ` Eric Abrahamsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2017-02-06 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com> writes:
>
>> Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
>> change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
>>
>> (org-show-entry)
>> (org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
>>
>> which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
>> docstring. Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
>> don't know about.
>
> See `org-show-context' and `org-reveal'.
Thanks to you both -- I'll bring this up with the Helm people.
Eric
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