From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christian Moe Subject: Re: Org citations, CSL and citeproc-el Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 18:02:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87h8s0w85a.fsf@christianmoe.com> References: <87wp0wuyyv.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37933) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXVpr-0006qM-D4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:31:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXVpo-0002IP-6q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:31:15 -0500 Received: from mailer-211-152.hitrost.net ([91.185.211.152]:36851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eXVpn-0002Fn-M2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:31:12 -0500 In-reply-to: <87wp0wuyyv.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Simonyi =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s?= Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org This is exciting news, and I look forward to trying it out. Regarding syntax: 1. A couple of years back, there was an active discussion on this list to flesh out a native citation syntax for Org. I fell off the discussion, but I think it resulted in a non-link-based, feature-rich syntax spec, but not much code to make use of it. Perhaps someone could comment? 2. Not many people liked my proposal: a link-based syntax similar to yours but also including author and date in the link description. The idea was to have descriptions that are both (1) human-readable even though the citekeys are hidden away in the link path and (2) machine-readable to determine the form of the citation (parenthetical or not, date-only or not, etc.). I have used one to work with Zotero, and have a simple parser for it, if you're interested in pursuing something similar. Yours, Christian Simonyi András writes: > Dear List Members, > > a few days ago I've released the first public version of citeproc-el > (https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-el), a CSL 1.01 citation > processor library for Emacs. Since the main motivation of my work was to > contribute to org-mode's citation rendering I also implemented a "proof > of concept" add-on to org-ref that uses citeproc-el to render org-ref > citation links for non-LaTeX (and optionally even LaTeX) export backends > (see https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-orgref). > > Both packages are in a relatively early stage of their development so > I'd be grateful to receive any feedback on them. In particular, in > citeproc-orgref I had to abuse the cite link descriptions to an even > greater degree than they were by org-ref to accommodate the full CSL > representation of citations (citations consist of cites and each cite > can have a prefix, postfix and a locator). The resulting link syntax is > rather cumbersome so I'd like to ask your opinion about introducing an > alternative org-mode citation syntax that handles all of these elements. > One option would be to use something very similar to pandoc's citation > syntax (which I tried to follow as much as possible in the cite link > descriptions of citeproc-orgref). > > A more general question I'd like to raise how (or whether) you see > citeproc-el's (and CSL's) potential place in the org-mode ecosystem. > There are a lot of directions which the further development could take > (BibLaTeX support, citeproc-YAML bibliographies, CSL editing and CSL > extensions etc.) and I'd be grateful to receive your input on which ones > I should focus on. > > thanks in advance & best wishes, > > András Simonyi