From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christophe Schockaert Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. " References: <87wowoh1m9.fsf@aquinas.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDVw7-00010b-Oy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 10:07:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDVw3-0004lT-NN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 10:07:19 -0400 Received: from smtp6.tech.numericable.fr ([82.216.111.42]:43868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDVw3-0004jO-DX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 10:07:15 -0400 Received: from artlab.createcnix.lan (81-64-96-98.rev.numericable.fr [81.64.96.98]) by smtp6.tech.numericable.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A3318265F for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 16:07:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from artlab.createcnix.lan (localhost.createcnix.lan [127.0.0.1]) by artlab.createcnix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348495EB55 for ; Tue, 1 May 2018 16:07:11 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode Alan Tyree writes: > [...] > > Here is a question: I see specialised snippet packages in the ELPA > respositories. Is it possible to provide snippets that reproduce the > existing "Easy Templates", maybe even keep the same key bindings so that > the change is transparent to the users that are likely to have the troubles > referred to by Bastien? By chances, I spent some spare time reading this thread, and the previous one. Well, Org is my daily-life tool, I am a bit outdated, although. And I would like to change that, by getting closer to Org upgrades. I fully understand and can value the need for improving software design and focusing towards consistent functions, as time passes by and software grows and evolves. Also, when there are breaking changes, the thing is that it's often never the right time. I mean, however small it is, when you are in your daily process, it does not necesserily fit your agenda. So, I try to carefully select times for my upgrades, and I am glad to be aware of this one. So, I am ready to adapt myself. I will probably learn the new keys if they are easy to work with. However, the existing shortcut seems so natural to remember for whom is used to markup tags. And it's easy to type. If yasnippets is the way to go, I'll use them. I never took the time yet to address them. Thus, I like Alan idea to prepare a set of shortcuts that would match the existing ones. That way, we would have a common set acting as a base for org users. I will have a look at org-tempo, too, as it exists and easy to handle. As for letting know the users, I think it's a very important part. Could the ORG-NEWS clearly identify the expected breaking changes and refer to a receipe for handling them ? Also, would it be possible to add a link to the ORG-NEWS file in the ELPA package description ? I don't think there is. I know it exists, and that's where I went for my first breaking changes, but if we can make it obvious for those would might not be long time users, that would be great :-) I any case, thank you for the awesome work you're all doing here. Cheers, Christophe > It is a genuine question since I have no idea of the problems involved. > > I'll keep using org no matter what you decide! > > Cheers, > Alan > > > On 1 May 2018 at 08:49, Kaushal Modi wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I normally am all for adapting to changes, staying on bleeding edges of >> emacs, Org, etc. >> >> But FWIW, for this particular change to the "> the camp of "It was working awesome, it was beautiful! Why change it?". For >> record, I understand the "why", but it just doesn't seem worth it in this >> case. >> >> But the good thing is that this is open source, and you can backport the >> stuff you like from the original Easy Template code into your personal >> Emacs config (and then later adapt to the new way of doing the similar when >> you have time and motivation). >> >> Kaushal >> -- >> >> Kaushal Modi >> -- ---------------> https://www.citadels.earth Once it's perfectly aimed, the flying arrow goes straight to its target. Thus, don't worry when things go right. There will be enough time to worry about if they go wrong. Then, it's time to fire a new arrow towards another direction. Don't sink. Adapt yourself ! The archer has to shoot accurately and quickly. [Words of Erenthar, the bowman ranger] <---------------<<<<