From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id MFZNNh8Oq16rGQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:42:55 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id APVzKCgOq141MwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:43:04 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142::17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 006A394004E for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:44970 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUDDB-0001yw-5O for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:43:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUDCE-0001pX-QF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:42:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUDAc-0000WU-PD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:42:02 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:54710) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUDAc-0000Vp-Bl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:40:22 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUDAZ-0000RX-6T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:40:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Marco Wahl Subject: Re: [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'? Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:40:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87h7x0x475.fsf@gmail.com> References: <874kt1atzh.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QigF6wD9CJ0tkd/iGntfbsLsrU0= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=159.69.161.202; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/30 13:40:20 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 159.69.161.202 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: 0.59 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 2001:470:142::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [0.59 / 13.00]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.49412263363721]; DWL_DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:142::/48:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.17), country: US(-0.00), ip: 2001:470:142::17(-0.49)]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:2001:470:142::/48, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[marcowahlsoft@gmail.com,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[2001:470:142::17:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none] X-TUID: 4uY+QyY3S6/M > Reading a recent message on Emacs devel list, I stumbled upon this: > > I needed to go and look up to figure out how to read the org file > that came with pdf-tools. It isn't that much text, and the annoying > folding that org does for what amounts to a simple README file is > gratuitous at best. > > it struck me that our default value for `org-startup-folded', which > t (or `overview') may not be nice for people not used to Org. > > It would make sense to make it easier for non-Org users who have to deal > with Org files to set this variable to `showeverything'. This would also > be on par with Outline mode, the major mode used to handle, e.g., NEWS > file. > > Even though I think `overview' is a nice value, the logic behind my > suggestion is that it is easier for an Org user to set > `org-startup-folded' once and for all than for a non-Org user to > discover Org folding the hard way. > > WDYT? +1 for the change.