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>>>>> S=C3=A9bastien Miquel <sebastien.miquel@posteo.eu> writes:

    > Hi, With respect to readability, I only mean to point out that the
    > $=E2=80=A6$ syntax is one less character, and that the \(\) character=
s are
    > quite overloaded.

Indeed. Compare something like

$g=3D\lim_{\delta m\to 0}(\delta F/\delta m)$

with

\(g=3D\lim_{\delta m\to 0}(\delta F/\delta m)\)

Backslash city! I know which one I'd prefer to read.

    >> this is a good opportunity to point out that $/$$ are very much
    >> second class citizens in LaTeX now, no matter what you may see in
    >> old documents.

    > The posts that you quote are 10 years old. As per [0] (2020),
    > there will be no LaTeX3. Nor is it only old documents that use the
    > $=E2=80=A6$ syntax : looking for learning ressources (see [1]), every=
thing
    > that I find uses it. That includes The Not So Short Introduction
    > to LaTeX [2] (2021) and
    > https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics.

Ah, LaTeX3 - whatever happened to that?

    > Although I have no evidence of this, my expectation is that the
    > majority of tex users use the $=E2=80=A6$ syntax (it is in fact widely
    > used outside of tex: in most markdown flavors and texmacs for
    > example). I also expect that a significant proportion of tex users
    > are not aware of the \(=E2=80=A6\) syntax. I think here of users that=
 are
    > less tech literate than most of this mailing list.

Agreed.

Best wishes,