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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1673874728; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=DmJvkuI74AWgUAh4f7+y6/sQQSDRdp99umvFEZmLR5tfU04VmRGuRDizB7jmhVfN9e3rpK 1kWiuxXLHzgiuxQ1/tv5hdhWpSaT9mn5fAvNZTAcLdedxumOgUW9woVDQZ4x0Tr792MmrP BX3TRSVvwM0oexmaXzcEKT1CRDn7yND+rEmDfuteVoEgFSBrDy1ZnQxWWKGipWIcLCRHNk P/TcpG7JfOAOJNqsAvbPz5VS7hn8e1bLKSg4lRvnTb5COa/G2igEpQ/xC+bHqjOjwgIuga Z1N/fUoW9vomkdh9GnWgWHDeSFw1rg9FxzVt1M5G4jCL03DKxjw1pZHyPZta5A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=RLbk9jxr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1673874728; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=cda3lQYsosSznTOWFgss5YfmCVa9UPvM/lwUYdYuzg0=; b=hB+sE24BTf8FXs8ToVWSp2NIOaDNyXgleAnp19LX7eGj0K1TdD2QwZeBEY0GkCCV8+1nle hn9I3z14SAk2v4EO4pJxHrX7FPp9db/yiBvpdvVW7YwxoCP4L0hD2GKy/2grU2uuF0WLEV +KQ1R4POFrOp/+tTM8cfdvZu3D9Od/lizuFkffoUct8gsaVxzPBdAoVdvf7zjq9BopJM/u FOkrALXzCets1uUvr7ClHmIB8cUWldJyNf3rWbycmfeJBeYLz1eoxGz6rDs22t4Tpimylz EFMz0xvI4cA9T2gVeA240vQ3kqsyvyokSZh5GexHwVwEeY6ReqyvkUAJ1Skcjg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.07 X-Spam-Score: -6.07 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E13A2EB1D X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=RLbk9jxr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net X-TUID: 1YaESbIgVkEe Jean Louis writes: > * Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-14 20:08]: >> > When you have appointments with people in totally diverse time zones, >> > perhaps dates tend to be more fixed wrt UTC. >> >> AFAIK, people don't usually bother. > > Can't agree to that, we who do bother will simply find different > solutions but Org, like I have developed it for myself or other CRM > systems where all time issues are solved fundamentally on the database > level. I think you misunderstood my statement here. "People don't bother" does not make life easier for us. I was replying to an assertion that it is common for meeting times to be expressed in non-ambiguous UTC+XX offsets. I gave an example that it is not the case - some meetings are, in fact, scheduled in local, tricky time zones. We have to account for those. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at