From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: [RFC] Change visibility for bracket links Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:28:53 -0400 Message-ID: <87fuo4f9ru.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87bmyyold3.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87fuo7bm5j.fsf@alphapapa.net> <11075f37-d56a-da83-dca7-f33b98001062@gmail.com> <87k2dgffvf.fsf@gmail.com> <0a5cd7af-0655-2ed4-073c-d7ab54afd757@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btdSN-0005kr-Co for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:29:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btdSJ-0003FD-US for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:29:39 -0400 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56319 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btdSJ-0003D5-OW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:29:35 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1btdS5-0002OV-AU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:29:21 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Clément Pit--Claudel writes: > On 2016-10-10 10:17, Nick Dokos wrote: >> Clément Pit--Claudel writes: >> >>> On 2016-10-07 22:38, Adam Porter wrote: >>>> I understand the motivation for making this change, but I respectfully >>>> request that this be made configurable. I much prefer the "clean" links >>>> without visible brackets, and adding them would seem like a regression >>>> to me. I'm guessing that many current Org users would also prefer to >>>> keep the brackets invisible. >>> >>> Adam, what do you think of my earlier suggestion (displaying the >>> brackets when the pointer is on them, hiding them otherwise? (In the >>> style of prettify-symbols-mode with unprettify-symbol-at-point) >>> >> >> I don't particularly care whether the brackets are shown or not, but I >> dislike things that change the visual appearance as you roll over >> them. > > Note that by pointer I meant point, not mouse; IOW, pointing on > something with your mouse would not change anything display-wise. > I'm not sure what you meant by roll-over. > Either mouse-over or "point-over" (to coin a phrase): changing the visual appearance "explosively" is bad IMO. Subtler changes might be more acceptable but I think it would require some research and user-customizable behaviour to satisfy different needs - in short, I'm not sure it's worth it but as long as I can turn it off, I'm OK with it: there are plenty of things in org that I've never used, in some cases consciously, in others because of ignorance, but if somebody finds them useful and they are not tripping me up constantly, their existence does not bother me. >> The web is full of such things and they drive me bananas: you >> are trying to read something and you roll over something in the text >> that changes its appearance, possibly shifting the text that you are >> reading and leaving you to chase it around the page - good bye, >> concentration. Even if you do it by just switching visibility on the >> brackets, it's distracting when you are reading; it might be helpful >> when composing but I'm not convinced even for that. > > Agreed. I'd be curious to get feedback from users of > prettify-symbols-mode, too. And to know whether your objections apply > as strongly to just revealing the brackets when the point is on them > (not when they are being moused over) > I don't think that's any different: using emacs on the console only allows "point-over" but if the mechanism is distracting, then I want to be able to turn it off there too. -- Nick