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I think referencing should get a bit of attention, as citation has here, bu= t a much smaller separate effort now appears more appropriate to me. This could= be as simple as a way of handling links to named images/tables/etc. when exporting. Update: I see wip-cite-new has been merged =F0=9F=8E=89. Still sending this because I think my sentiment is worth sharing and I'd like to prompt a discussion on references (I'll probably give this a bit of a think then start a new thread in a few days). -- Timothy William Denton writes: > On 8 July 2021, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > >> And the implementation challenges raised by John Kitchin and Joost >> Kremers (namely the candidate list is different) make this better to >> deal with using a different mechanism. >> >> As a package developer that supports org-cite, I really don't want to >> be worrying about internal references and such. >> >> And as a user, I don't see the benefit of doing so. >> >> Effectively, these seem more like org internal links. > > I agree with all this. Personally, I'd never expect a citation system li= ke this > to handle internal references. The way librarians think about citations = and > referencing, these are different. > > > Bill -- Timothy