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Yes. I use them for repeating events, in particular those which have repeating rules like "the first Monday of every month" that org does not support. However, having said this, I don't think it's org's responsibility to address the Emacs Diary: that would be a feature request for Emacs more generally... --=20 : Eric S Fraga, with org release_9.6-201-gb58fba in Emacs 30.0.50=