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From: Jack Kamm <jackkamm@gmail.com>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Liu Hui <liuhui1610@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ob-python: support header argument `:results file graphics'
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 22:10:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs5tk94a.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sf9x8n38.fsf@localhost>

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> ":results file" imply that results of the code block are written to a file
> (the file is specified using header args).
>
> ":results file link" imply that results of the code block are interpreted
> as file link. The fact that presence of :file header arg overrides this
> behaviour is something we may want to reconsider - it is confusing.

I think this is a lot clearer and more intuitive than the current
behavior, and worth doing.

But it is a breaking change, so it would be good to provide a variable
to re-enable the previous behavior, for back-compatibility of older
Org documents.

In particular, the Worg matplotlib example of ":results file" without
":file" header arg is fairly old, and I have a few Org docs using
":results file" this way as well. So I would appreciate a
backwards-compatibility variable if we change this.

> ":results graphics file" imply that graphics generated during code
> block execution is saved to file specified in the :file header args.
> This feature is only available for some backends that can derive
> graphics data from the source block.  When :file is not specified,
> using the actual code block output is confusing, and we may want to
> reconsider this behaviour.

I agree.

On a related note, I think we should revert most of b088389c6 on
bugfix branch. That documentation causes more harm than good, and is
based on some confusion in [1] ("graphics" and "link" are _not_
equivalent in general).

> Sorry, but I do not fully understand.
> Generated graphics is not what Org sees as "results of evaluation".
> I think it is well illustrated by
>
>   #+begin_src R :file img.png
>   hist(rnorm(100))
>   "img.png is going to contain this string."
>   #+end_src
>
>   #+begin_src R :file img.png :results graphics
>   hist(rnorm(100))
>   "But now img.png is going to contain graphics."
>   #+end_src
>
> The latter has nothing to do with block output, which is a string.

IMO block _value_ is string, while block _output_ is string AND
graphics.

So by my interpretation, ob-R is slightly incorrect in how it handles
":results output graphics" vs ":results value graphics".  IMO the more
technically correct approach is in the ob-python patch that I proposed
a couple years ago [2], and plan to revisit soon. In that patch,
ob-python ":results graphics output" will plot from pyplot.gcf(),
while ":results graphics value" will expect a matplotlib.Figure object
to be returned for plotting.

(Note I do _not_ suggest changing ob-R -- even if my interpretation is
correct, I think that common usage and backwards-compatibility
outweighs strict technical correctness in this case).

[1] https://list.orgmode.org/87fu41zcn2.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr/
[2] https://list.orgmode.org/87eenpfe77.fsf@gmail.com/


  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-12  5:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-03  4:31 [PATCH] ob-python: support header argument `:results file graphics' Liu Hui
2023-07-03  9:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-03 10:40   ` Liu Hui
2023-07-03 11:41     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-03 13:23       ` Liu Hui
2023-07-04 11:29         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05  5:23           ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-05 11:05             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06  2:49               ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-07 10:53                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 13:55                   ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-09  9:12                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-12  5:10                       ` Jack Kamm [this message]
2023-07-12  8:38                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-14  2:47                           ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-05  8:09           ` Liu Hui
2023-07-05  4:55   ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-07 10:56     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05  5:13 ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-05  8:11   ` Liu Hui
2023-07-06  3:49     ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-06  9:54       ` Liu Hui
2023-07-08 13:59         ` Jack Kamm

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