* Suddenly, my timestamps get localized!
@ 2011-10-25 9:36 Tassilo Horn
2011-10-25 9:41 ` Sebastien Vauban
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From: Tassilo Horn @ 2011-10-25 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi all,
when I insert a new timestame, I now get
<2011-10-25 Di>
while it used to be <2011-10-25 Tue> until very recently. (Di is
Dienstag which is German for Tuesday). I've briefly grepped the org
source code, but I cannot see any localization there.
What's going on? I even have no glue how org/emacs (correctly) guesses
that I'm German. My locale is en_US.UTF-8...
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: Suddenly, my timestamps get localized!
2011-10-25 9:36 Suddenly, my timestamps get localized! Tassilo Horn
@ 2011-10-25 9:41 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 10:13 ` Olaf Meeuwissen
2011-10-25 10:25 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-25 9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Tassilo,
Tassilo Horn wrote:
> when I insert a new timestame, I now get
>
> <2011-10-25 Di>
>
> while it used to be <2011-10-25 Tue> until very recently. (Di is
> Dienstag which is German for Tuesday). I've briefly grepped the org
> source code, but I cannot see any localization there.
>
> What's going on? I even have no glue how org/emacs (correctly) guesses
> that I'm German. My locale is en_US.UTF-8...
Found in my .emacs:
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; system locale to use for formatting time values (e.g., timestamps in
;; Org mode files)
(setq system-time-locale "C")
;; "en_US.utf8" did not work for the weekday in the agenda!
#+end_src
Now, the question is: why did it change on your machine? New Emacs, new Cygwin
(if on Windows)? See discussion
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-09/msg00006.html on Cygwin (though I don't
know what to understand from it...).
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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2011-10-25 9:41 ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2011-10-25 10:13 ` Olaf Meeuwissen
2011-10-25 10:25 ` Tassilo Horn
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Olaf Meeuwissen @ 2011-10-25 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
"Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:
> Hi Tassilo,
>
> Tassilo Horn wrote:
>> when I insert a new timestame, I now get
>>
>> <2011-10-25 Di>
>>
>> while it used to be <2011-10-25 Tue> until very recently. (Di is
>> Dienstag which is German for Tuesday). I've briefly grepped the org
>> source code, but I cannot see any localization there.
>>
>> What's going on? I even have no glue how org/emacs (correctly) guesses
>> that I'm German. My locale is en_US.UTF-8...
>
> Found in my .emacs:
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> ;; system locale to use for formatting time values (e.g., timestamps in
> ;; Org mode files)
> (setq system-time-locale "C")
> ;; "en_US.utf8" did not work for the weekday in the agenda!
> #+end_src
>
> Now, the question is: why did it change on your machine? New Emacs, new Cygwin
> (if on Windows)? See discussion
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-09/msg00006.html on Cygwin (though I don't
> know what to understand from it...).
Or updated localisation catalogs.
I've also put (setq system-time-locale "C") in my .emacs-en because that
is the only sane settings if you move your org-files between accounts in
any kind of way.
Hope this helps,
--
Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2 FLOSS Engineer -- AVASYS CORPORATION
FSF Associate Member #1962 Help support software freedom
http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=1962
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2011-10-25 9:41 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 10:13 ` Olaf Meeuwissen
@ 2011-10-25 10:25 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-25 10:37 ` Sebastien Vauban
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2011-10-25 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:
Hi Sebastien,
>> What's going on? I even have no glue how org/emacs (correctly)
>> guesses that I'm German. My locale is en_US.UTF-8...
>
> Found in my .emacs:
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> ;; system locale to use for formatting time values (e.g., timestamps in
> ;; Org mode files)
> (setq system-time-locale "C")
> ;; "en_US.utf8" did not work for the weekday in the agenda!
> #+end_src
Ok, that does the trick. It was nil before. And
(setq system-time-locale (getenv "LANG"))
resulting in "en_US.utf8" seems to work as well. What did not work for
you in the agenda?
> Now, the question is: why did it change on your machine? New Emacs,
> new Cygwin (if on Windows)?
I'm on GNU/Linux and update my emacs bzr and org git checkouts about
thrice a week. All I can say is that a week ago, timestamps where
English (or at least I didn't notice).
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: Suddenly, my timestamps get localized!
2011-10-25 10:25 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2011-10-25 10:37 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 10:39 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-27 7:46 ` Sebastien Vauban
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-25 10:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Tassilo,
Tassilo Horn wrote:
> "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>>> What's going on? I even have no glue how org/emacs (correctly)
>>> guesses that I'm German. My locale is en_US.UTF-8...
>>
>> Found in my .emacs:
>>
>> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
>> ;; system locale to use for formatting time values (e.g., timestamps in
>> ;; Org mode files)
>> (setq system-time-locale "C")
>> ;; "en_US.utf8" did not work for the weekday in the agenda!
>> #+end_src
>
> Ok, that does the trick. It was nil before.
Good to know!
> And
>
> (setq system-time-locale (getenv "LANG"))
>
> resulting in "en_US.utf8" seems to work as well. What did not work for
> you in the agenda?
When I wrote (months ago) "did not work", I meant: I got French weekdays in my
agenda ("Lun." for Monday, "Mar.", "Mer.", etc. -- even on 4 characters).
I could retry... but I don't have UTF8 specified in my LANG var. I should do
add it, I guess.
Best regards,
Seb
PS- I'm on Windows XP, with a win32 binary from FSF.
--
Sebastien Vauban
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2011-10-25 10:37 ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2011-10-25 10:39 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-27 7:46 ` Sebastien Vauban
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2011-10-25 10:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:
>> And
>>
>> (setq system-time-locale (getenv "LANG"))
>>
>> resulting in "en_US.utf8" seems to work as well. What did not work
>> for you in the agenda?
>
> When I wrote (months ago) "did not work", I meant: I got French
> weekdays in my agenda ("Lun." for Monday, "Mar.", "Mer.", etc. -- even
> on 4 characters).
With system-time-locale nil, I got Mo, Di, Mi,... only in the timestamps
while the agenda was still Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...
Bye,
Tassilo
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2011-10-25 10:37 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-25 10:39 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2011-10-27 7:46 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-10-27 8:40 ` Tassilo Horn
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-27 7:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Tassilo,
> Tassilo Horn wrote:
>> "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>>> What's going on? I even have no glue how org/emacs (correctly)
>>>> guesses that I'm German. My locale is en_US.UTF-8...
>>>
>>> Found in my .emacs:
>>>
>>> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
>>> ;; system locale to use for formatting time values (e.g., timestamps in
>>> ;; Org mode files)
>>> (setq system-time-locale "C")
>>> ;; "en_US.utf8" did not work for the weekday in the agenda!
>>> #+end_src
>>
>> Ok, that does the trick. It was nil before.
>> And
>>
>> (setq system-time-locale (getenv "LANG"))
>>
>> resulting in "en_US.utf8" seems to work as well. What did not work for
>> you in the agenda?
>
> When I wrote (months ago) "did not work", I meant: I got French weekdays in my
> agenda ("Lun." for Monday, "Mar.", "Mer.", etc. -- even on 4 characters).
>
> I could retry... but I don't have UTF8 specified in my LANG var. I should do
> add it, I guess.
Just to confirm:
(setq system-time-locale (getenv "en_US.utf8"))
in my .emacs is not working for me: I get French timestamps (I mean: weekday
abbreviations) in Org (on `C-c .', for example).
Setting it back, on-the-fly (with `C-x C-e') to "C" works: I get English
timestamps.
Though, setting it back once again to "en_US.utf8" works as well: I now still
get English timestamps!?
That seems to indicate that setting that var before Org or after Org doesn't
provide me with the same view. I say Org, but maybe it's before or after
another one. Should be investigated, but not that clear anymore...
> PS- I'm on Windows XP, with a win32 binary from FSF.
(and Cygwin for the subshell, but Emacs is not launched from it).
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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2011-10-27 7:46 ` Sebastien Vauban
@ 2011-10-27 8:40 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-27 9:34 ` Sebastien Vauban
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2011-10-27 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
"Sebastien Vauban"
<wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:
Hi Sebastien,
> Just to confirm:
>
> (setq system-time-locale (getenv "en_US.utf8"))
>
> in my .emacs is not working for me: I get French timestamps (I mean:
> weekday abbreviations) in Org (on `C-c .', for example).
Well, that line above tries to get the value of the environment variable
en_US.utf8. There is no such variable, so `getenv' returns nil leaving
you with the default setting of `system-time-locale'.
> Setting it back, on-the-fly (with `C-x C-e') to "C" works: I get
> English timestamps.
>
> Though, setting it back once again to "en_US.utf8" works as well: I
> now still get English timestamps!?
See. ;-)
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: Suddenly, my timestamps get localized!
2011-10-27 8:40 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2011-10-27 9:34 ` Sebastien Vauban
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2011-10-27 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Tassilo,
Tassilo Horn wrote:
> "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> Just to confirm:
>>
>> (setq system-time-locale (getenv "en_US.utf8"))
>>
>> in my .emacs is not working for me: I get French timestamps (I mean:
>> weekday abbreviations) in Org (on `C-c .', for example).
>
> Well, that line above tries to get the value of the environment variable
> en_US.utf8. There is no such variable, so `getenv' returns nil leaving
> you with the default setting of `system-time-locale'.
No. Sorry, I just edited directly in the mail, when answering... but was
apparently too fast (or I just didn't read it carefully before sending it).
If can assure you I had (the effect of):
(setq system-time-locale "en_US.utf8")
in my .emacs.
The real lines in my .emacs were:
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; specify your character-set locale
(setenv "LANG" "en_US.utf8")
;; system locale to use for formatting time values (e.g., timestamps in
;; Org mode files)
(setq system-time-locale (getenv "LANG"))
#+end_src
Why setting LANG? Because that environment variable doesn't exist on Windows,
and was needed to quiet SVN (stop reporting warnings).
>> Setting it back, on-the-fly (with `C-x C-e') to "C" works: I get
>> English timestamps.
>>
>> Though, setting it back once again to "en_US.utf8" works as well: I
>> now still get English timestamps!?
>
> See. ;-)
Case still open (for understanding it fully, on my side: why setting it early
in my .emacs file is different than setting it afterward).
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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