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From: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>
To: jamshark70@dewdrop-world.net
Cc: nicholas.dokos@hp.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New exporter, beamer confusion
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:57:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ehgtmd0q.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFniQ7WXLM5wUuo75-DUcrpxjg7vvUVG1HF6ODz-r59o6E-WcQ@mail.gmail.com> (James Harkins's message of "Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:12:05 +0800")

James Harkins <jamshark70@gmail.com> writes:

> Btw, *who* preferred \alert? (Orwell, Politics and the English Language:
> "Never use the passive [voice] where you can use the active.")

Obviously, me, as the author of the back-end. Org offers only one slot
for "strong emphasis". I had to choose between bold and alert, and so
I did.

> Although I'm not happy about manual intervention to convert my prior work,
> this is a good step toward consistency. It was odd, in the old framework,
> to use headlines for bullet lists and org's numbered lists for numbered
> lists. "An org list becomes an output list" is an easier rule to
> explain.

As explained in this thread, the H:num options item defines a limit
between regular headlines and "low-level" headlines. Low level headlines
are usually turned into lists during export. But, in the Beamer
exporter, it is a better idea to turn them into blocks. Better as in
"closer, by its properties, to an headline".

> Still, I wonder if there is a way to make the new backend less unfriendly
> toward lists. It's an interesting philosophical question: In what cases is
> it better for the tool to adapt to the users' wishes, versus cases where
> the tool should encourage (Are blocks in the result actually better than
> lists? Who says so, and why should I take his or her word for it?)

Nobody is saying that blocks are better than lists in the output. It's
a matter of taste, isn't it? There are also ways to adapt the tool to
your wishes (through hooks, filters, script, macros).
> "Reasonably" for me would mean tweaking some configuration options and
> perhaps changing a few minor details of the markup. If you have to change
> the org document's structure (e.g., converting headlines to lists), it
> isn't backward compatible.

Then, by this definition, it isn't, indeed.

> For comparison: Lilypond updates frequently break some details of backward
> compatibility. So, they ship a "convert-ly" script to handle many of those
> changes automatically.

Even though the required change in our case are rather minimal, they
mostly depend on the user configuration. Hence, I will not attempt to
provide such a script.

But I will provide instructions on how to make the transition, if they
are needed.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-02-06 19:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-09 16:37 org-url-hexify-p is not respected James Harkins
2012-09-10  1:50 ` James Harkins
2012-09-10  4:58   ` Nick Dokos
2012-09-10  6:16     ` James Harkins
2012-09-10  6:37       ` Jambunathan K
2012-09-10  6:48         ` James Harkins
2012-09-10  7:12           ` Jambunathan K
     [not found]             ` <CAFniQ7W_5QMUawD2NObyhy2_Y647as-NthobZ9OgAX4NLcVJBw@mail.gmail.com>
2012-09-11 10:22               ` James Harkins
2012-09-11 13:10                 ` Activating modules before org-install (was: org-url-hexify-p is not respected) Memnon Anon
2012-09-11 13:56                   ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2012-09-11 17:06                 ` org-url-hexify-p is not respected Charles Philip Chan
2012-09-23 10:05                 ` Bastien
2012-09-26 17:59                   ` Michael Brand
2012-09-26 21:50                     ` Bastien
2012-09-27  6:18                       ` Michael Brand
     [not found]   ` <jamshark70@gmail.com>
2012-08-12  2:55     ` MobileOrg, webdav, correct use of org-mobile-directory? James Harkins
2012-08-12  4:29       ` Nick Dokos
2012-08-12  7:12         ` James Harkins
2012-08-12  8:43           ` Bastien
2012-08-12  8:50             ` James Harkins
2012-08-12 13:11           ` Nick Dokos
2012-08-18 23:25             ` Adam Spiers
2012-08-19  1:35               ` Adam Spiers
2012-08-19  5:49                 ` James Harkins
2012-08-20 20:03                 ` Rémi Vanicat
2012-08-19  2:41               ` Nick Dokos
2012-08-12 11:38         ` James Harkins
2012-08-12 12:40           ` Nick Dokos
2012-08-12 13:12             ` Nick Dokos
2012-09-29 16:34     ` LaTeX beamer export: relative file links? Nick Dokos
2012-09-30  2:04       ` James Harkins
2013-01-10  3:40     ` <M-S-left/right> changed? Nick Dokos
2013-01-10  9:17       ` James Harkins
2013-02-05  7:21     ` New exporter, beamer confusion Nick Dokos
2013-02-05  9:01       ` James Harkins
2013-02-05 13:20         ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-02-05 13:55         ` Nick Dokos
2013-02-05 19:03         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-06  0:11           ` Eric S Fraga
2013-02-06 18:55             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-06 22:39               ` Eric S Fraga
2013-02-07 12:31                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                   ` <37646106030B4CA98C6A7717FBD89D50@gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <87vca4jigj.fsf@gmail.com>
2013-02-07 14:49                       ` Vincent Beffara
2013-02-07 14:58                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-07 17:08                           ` Rasmus
2013-02-07 21:48                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-07 23:38                               ` Rasmus
2013-02-08 21:41                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-08 13:40                   ` Eric S Fraga
2013-02-06  2:12           ` James Harkins
2013-02-06  4:35             ` Eric S Fraga
2013-02-06 12:32             ` Rasmus
2013-02-06 13:12               ` Suvayu Ali
2013-02-06 13:45               ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-02-06 19:57             ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2013-02-07  1:32               ` James Harkins
2013-02-05  9:36       ` Eric S Fraga
2013-02-25  6:25     ` How to make the new exporter open PDF using evince? James Harkins
2013-02-25  7:01       ` Mike Gauland
2013-02-25  6:52     ` Nick Dokos
2013-02-25 13:06       ` James Harkins
2013-02-26  2:40         ` Martin Marier
2013-02-27  9:51           ` James Harkins
     [not found] <CAFniQ7UgwaQ5jO2r7iJ7PbakWfpvsJGZw2FNNf+sawwvKqSUqQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-09-29  5:55 ` LaTeX beamer export: relative file links? James Harkins
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-01-10  2:38 <M-S-left/right> changed? James Harkins
2013-02-04  4:00 New exporter, beamer confusion James Harkins
2013-02-04  6:39 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-02-04  8:55   ` James Harkins
2013-02-04 19:51     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-05  0:09       ` James Harkins
2013-02-05 12:32       ` Eric S Fraga
2013-02-05 18:06         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-02-05 23:49           ` Eric S Fraga

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