From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: proposal to have ignoreheading tags/properties Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:38:52 +0800 Message-ID: <87egyt354z.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvHL7-0005T2-BF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:35:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvHKz-0006HQ-Lk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:35:37 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54438) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvHKz-0006Ft-8q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:35:29 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WvHKw-0000bm-BT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 04:35:26 +0200 Received: from 111.197.158.56 ([111.197.158.56]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 04:35:26 +0200 Received: from eric by 111.197.158.56 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 04:35:26 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Mark Edgington writes: > In using org-mode, there is one problem that has always irked me (and > is apparently also closely related to the FAQ "How do I ignore a > headline?"). When I am writing something, I sometimes want to group > things by concept or by work to be done, or any other number of > groupings. BUT I do not want these groupings to be part of the > exported document itself. In fact, I would like it to be as if the > grouping did not exist at all (i.e. a headline that is ignored). > > The problem with using an ignored headline for grouping things is that > it still does have an effect on exported document structure, in that > all of the elements contained "inside / in the scope of" the ignored > headline still keep their depth (one level deeper than the level of > the ignored headline). > > What I want is for the nested items to have their levels all promoted > by one, so that it's truly as if the ignored headline wasn't there at > all, and that it invisibly wrapped around a group of items without > requiring them to have a deeper level. Perhaps this could be done by > use of an "ignoreheading" and an "ignoreheadingpromote" tag (one > promotes the level of contained items, another doesn't), or some > equivalent set of properties that could be set on a headline. > > Would there be any chance that something like this could be built in > to org-mode? I think it would make it far more flexible in terms of > organizing things, making this organization process orthogonal to the > selection of sections/subsections of a document. It looks like a groundswell for remove-andor-promote tags for headlines, but for the sake of argument let me propose the use of blocks. It seems to me that something like a "generic block" (a block that does nothing but delete its begin/end delimiters on export) fits the use-case better: #+BEGIN_BLOCK Here's a list of reasons why blocks make sense 1. They group together content that should go together, but don't constitute a part of document structure. They're a little like notecards in Scrivener 2. You can fold them like headlines, and re-order them with org-meta(up|down) 3. You could put arbitrary text after the begin block declaration, as if it were ignored headline text. 4. I can't think of any more reasons, except that this seems like the right "weight" for this kind of feature. #+END_BLOCK Anyway, just being argumentative... E