From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id Bz5MNSJ2s1+uMwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:05:06 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id wCuJMCJ2s196HQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:05:06 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C18A940539 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:34714 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kev31-00081X-Or for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 02:05:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43438) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keuzk-0006bC-Hi for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 02:01:40 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:59381) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1keuzi-0008NW-Hn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 02:01:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1605596495; bh=nywTcRPTy3uYb/dBlTHSksbvxsUnKqVb/lCtKoinQ7k=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=hUqbus0DyJL1GpyXeUO4B28GP3YHVee+059Ws91ae60lIqtJRmQEEMsTQev2y8Cch iLRTeTA1+gtLES12x9aroMe5PByvNG6QCj3a0F8DypN/qcG2xPgQLhALoq/bJ3siCd 6cKQRk5gxXU/zMQHVtANcVtLLpUKzFh9RrePQ6iM= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from fluss ([80.136.19.238]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LuuFh-1kEHL40csr-0104Go; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:01:35 +0100 References: <2020-11-13T18-23-43@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <874klqew77.fsf@web.de> <20201115122154.50ad1503@linux-h0yu.fritz.box> <87tutq67ka.fsf@gmail.com> <87tutpvppm.fsf@kyleam.com> <877dqlby74.fsf@gmail.com> <871rgtbwml.fsf@gmail.com> <87blfxv966.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6vgq402.fsf@victor.tftorrey.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" To: Tom Gillespie Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "T.F. Torrey" , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=hUqbus0D; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.81 X-TUID: e6MyYu1YvlpF --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Gillespie writes: > with upstream, but it is clear that upstream has done zero testing on > the impact of that change on org-mode (or any other mode for that matter). I think this statement is too hard. If you use org purely for the example usecase (headings with a single content-line) and use CTRL-RET to create new headings, you won=E2=80=99t notice the change. And I=E2=80=99= m pretty sure they tested that. The change hurts for those who use org-mode as plain text with superpowers, or as general source-format that can export to plain text, LaTeX, html, and many more. 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