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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Karl Voit , Bastien , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Nicolas Goaziou , Christian Heinrich , Kyle Meyer Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643488345; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=8v5rTKLQvCN/gNqBzubGjuEHh1H+U6YDC8SRdboivt4=; b=hEdUc23uGsEiLoxgD/T4VxnTEUSvMoYAnDqLL4ZfAJkYov+m1oJAQ4Kzq6e449SJxFYvTL tEacbjcWbb3BRHjAoPX12yo8gEe8ACushyx5uQnnhQGNAIYlH69xQcqF3q6vSZjYqp920B mO7mbB4mmEAmcas1DWsNZzLlQ0MbKZPKuDGiscOeClz17ZYg5YiF3rM+stqtnpMFQ9mO7g 8Ds+IvjjMeaZAFMgO9lfrko2+dYMdHd7y0Vo6uav9iM9XixuiLq6iTOM+L8NMrNsRn+jCd WZbZE/xLrKulnYnOhDY0qXdQK46gsOQSJnEbTRqfPVIN+OA6IzGR0YYpYbIdBg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643488345; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mbNPW8Oo36Znhg+gAg+/mJjFUwSQLjbEaTodHHLZ36VtUMlVD9mmpzpBe2HiN6CJSNluDa X2E+57L0TRqd1OqlqmlGpxJZipQJcypx6Y+2mGTKPeoicP4Iae1Z0SzAI84tvkPWK3BtNe fmJU0yvn0ILYKbKBTR5XFTPOa11K/K1XVj3fFom508zj5SItq5Xaei+6q+2EtwlZMZUkSH 8uE2ogvHcQI8WYsbXjMUXKEEQuwvlVTDm4BWfvGmuAjwYScSLg36mYg7leNfl60K0pRZTC KL7qBXPO48cAZ4l1bGVbp4FIdZUDgmVMP3wexsvoqdaiRFE5dtL4rfFpoUqohw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nKLW8trc; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.53 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nKLW8trc; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B51A93069B X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: XA1wg7a4RwnP Ihor Radchenko writes: > +**** =3Doutline-*=3D functions may no longer work correctly in Org mode > + > +The new folding backend breaks some of the =3Doutline-*=3D functions that > +rely on the details of visibility state implementation in > +=3Doutline.el=3D. The old Org folding backend was compatible with the > +=3Doutline.el=3D folding, but it is not the case anymore with the new > +backend. From now on, using =3Doutline-*=3D functions is strongly > +discouraged when working with Org files. >From the perspective of a heavy outline-minor-mode user, who dreams of Org "backporting" its great outlining features to outline.el, that's a bit disheartening, since IIUC this will cause Org and outline.el to drift further apart? I realize this question might sound outlandish, but I'll ask it anyway: would it be feasible (and relevant) to add this new folding backend to outline.el, so that (1) /both/ Org and outline(-minor)-mode benefit from it, (2) outline.el functions keep working in Org? (Assuming outline.el could be turned into a :core GNU ELPA package, and Org would tolerate adding this dependency) I hope this doesn't come across as negative criticism; the amount of work that went into this branch is astounding, and as an Org user I'm indebted to the developers for the energy that goes into maintaining it. I just wish more of the loving care that goes into Org trickled down to outline(-minor)-mode; the last couple of months were encouraging because lots of great improvements have been added to outline.el (TAB-cycling, buttons, control over default visibility and font-locking), and those improvements enhance *every* major mode with outline-minor-mode support, so I was hoping for the trend to continue=E2=80=A6 Lest I let this message end on that sour note: great work, and thanks for the energy you put into Org!