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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1658296712; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=+KlRkGZxofP8HwjXVtV4HlIywIBLbMOTYMTTGrxz83o=; b=V9z5+K4q2DFB6RtZV34vR0lrr1mElcNDOsoalHdv+d5U2GHDaF4Z1CffxLRjxQF/ADl8aV Pum+nZkF10loIJGSb03Q0l770AZXMI1mlvxLiNa/eyZw7zJ4NxiIzx4Fdlh6ujeek9BisZ JCmPaI5fTK31h8hM7YDdnzKVUrZSzY3W6NZQQB8DACgLWrMv2fcAk5pUrz04tM2Na2yiZr ZrPjCwJ2afLRgXkAbUPUpbGmiWBvd1v7as+bi7jeVNBmz6PgRsLtNyguBZYdBSDN3e6eq/ VKugP8lIihzyiVS7Lv2U8BgSkzWaXk/lioJImnRo3WrDAnCt1IHy/rSQK48cCQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1658296712; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=h2kXeJhmDOjc34jK1cReNNkVjeOJLub/x/C1gsLQZcltM/lF6RpXvK3TQkciwITjgtPlpb QNMUImwa/TiTW2TLevEMK1FIP0CWq8Doq9yjLWo+DX0Q42qALq9/f9cvI8TuXNiMEnkLpe 041Rm07+MjQZh7JU3xHs67xav0vUJggfiajZBlloDjXo7L8+aKzhNH/eZSXur4AfkN5qaB eO/6OH7TO8L2MLuSLfRCe64nIOna32DaG2Sir0YjWmTJBkmoWfrkXUs33UCja6gSjITfW4 KszMY1iS2fY4Lp3jlXnbF9wRbqreymYi9lEiGtfgYoYauNwKDjRUqGz+VnRXPw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.66 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 62554AF60 X-Spam-Score: 0.66 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9QCWULnZH+FJ --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "IR" =3D=3D Ihor Radchenko writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: >>> Uwe Brauer writes: >>=20 >>> Org tables use Emacs' calc under the hood by default. >>> AFAIK, calc is unable to use "," as decimal point because it is reserved >>> as a vector separator. Which is why you got the vector addition in your >>> example. >>=20 >> Thanks. I was afraid that the issue was with calc not with org-mode. > Note that you can instead use Elisp formulas. See 3.5.3 Emacs Lisp forms > as formulas. It is more flexible. Can you give me an example? > Alternatively, we may implement the comma separators as a built-in > feature. Org table formulas already support notations like > | 3,5 | 4,2 | 7 | > #+TBLFM: $3=3D$1+$2;N Not sure I understand this=20 | 3,5 | 4,2 | 7 | (7, 7) | (7, 7) | | | | | | | #+TBLFM: $3=3D$1+$2;N::$4=3D$1+$2;E::$5=3D$1+$2;L > (see 3.5.2 Formula syntax for Calc) > we may as well implement something like ";Nc" that will interpret cells > as numbers with "," as decimal point separator. > Is there such a demand? > (see 3.5.2 Formula syntax for Calc) > we may as well implement something like ";Nc" that will interpret cells > as numbers with "," as decimal point separator. > Is there such a demand? I think others should speak up, all I can say 1. =C2=AB,=C2=BB is the standard in German speaking countries, while 2. =C2=AB'=C2=BB is the standard in Spanish speaking countries=20 For the separator. In my use case I need to generate ods documents that use the German language setting, org-mode however relying on calc needs the notation that the =C2=AB.=C2=BB Separate digits while in German it is the = =C2=AB,=C2=BB. 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