From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id cGBILQj6s2MdIQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2023 10:48:56 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id MFNFLQj6s2PnTAAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2023 10:48:56 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A4E76A06 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 10:48:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pCdtt-0001nA-5a; Tue, 03 Jan 2023 04:48:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pCdtl-0001mq-Qz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2023 04:47:58 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pCdti-00008k-8M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2023 04:47:56 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4F7A240421 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 10:47:50 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1672739271; bh=UvfCWSqQ3hdjIwiegYtr1GJ6qfUCYqwtFr/Kv1i7NCU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=dQY2Gb0xOVHX/hJVJ22caw8MLWYhwN6kyHRCE5iM38AnNjs8SeqsSHhAzodrVu7Yd FdEN75JGbSaOtY1PIspPsywZ1Liu5TN/qmCKvbkwojGLqxwRXOiX8+TQE7kqVLR89p od9F0fXFY4F8Z4xLayuumkM4CNGo37zjdV3j4vpKlcXu1VHka7Red/b81rLRYjpfhU 9XOTR0uF3SJsCZWGy8HtJlrmcKuyDkFBfOkShEFcfK1dyt+PtwRypV17irTWOD78V+ VRHI6vPzr9E/lZcQJY/zCdUR1dZ6T39zHZaqh0+AhzAbhwKslswLzpwFrt2ZCd+MlK 0WyBBC1qdicuw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NmSZq1DHXz9rxF; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 10:47:47 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eduardo Ochs Cc: andre duarte bueno , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Export Org with Org concept -- Re: Problems with C-c C-e file.org, In-Reply-To: References: <878rj469sk.fsf@localhost> <877cy673ot.fsf@localhost> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2023 09:48:17 +0000 Message-ID: <87edsckkym.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GAPPY_SUBJECT=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1672739336; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Vlaqdcu2uedMdJsjZewhxwwNdmps57RQlIiNysHqCcw=; b=Zm/grK+SeL2VvGXsLDQExXEqVE5pxyHJNVZdXkxBCYU5onSVPWodt4UU7wpZuj6LiA7pid +m017znP9Zp1bg05F7TA0HF5muobS8sfOfZ+E5UtEX8CjTXr7STv2ZNktk32lGuySFJvkT vbhnV2fiCckL5pZqb1ZTrAZVX8ABw/Abiibw7BupMsnK7Mda38EoMArkRPYKVhPP7PklNL DDuht9ghzAQ/aJOEj1jufV1J6J5Y7QRj5q2IIdr5WBOTy7hcDCOkO8YLM+/Pufg1APUHLP M+4GLrXQF74XvJHp7KUSItLySTe97reFzCjDJzRXuojNlc9w33RS3c0EGvk0JQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=dQY2Gb0x; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1672739336; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FoZfcGiSXPg7QJ9QO5buMYvGBYi+S0W2IL8dXvNWtq48wBB9gSPF/0+XQjRdpjXrLuCM+G n5NYWiN47v8IsOfhDqTIaUZdUrNsMKvXM7HcQXBvnYh0NNtSg040nQjT2brfytwj4CyD/T cCHkQV0fDDXVVWA4J1tkem4m//6/et1nq0dolXS+IStSeiCXuo23WlH52XzpA8I+c7DEtH CcXFZIXjE49n8VmHA5/KTR7mApHCA7tXuKixNNtaueaDOhJKix1Qq97f04A+ivj8DJnDiS dool2vQ8Zn1ZfimGe7pJ9i4DNketgDjuJdvk543x8UYQ3wVsgctPp//uZhDgAQ== X-Spam-Score: -5.49 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4A4E76A06 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=dQY2Gb0x; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.49 X-TUID: zxdWVoa3/nDh Eduardo Ochs writes: > (3) _is_ my experience with the Org mailing list. > > What I meant by "the developers like your questions" was roughly: > "recognizing that that person deserves help, and giving him tools that > would let him solve his problems in hours instead of in months or > years". > > For example, in this thread > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-12/msg00674.html To be fair, your another message copy got some replies: https://list.orgmode.org/CADs++6j+oPnSA8pO7_sbCTmhOg5v_BEzkr6vBB1ECfHBprKmFQ@mail.gmail.com/ > no one considered that if I was asking that then maybe it would be a > good idea to make `org-export-dispatch' more hackeable by beginners... In any case, we are here now, after the discussion resurfaced. > For example, someone could have said "can you try this? Copy that > function to other file, replace its lines foo and bar by the lines > plic and bletch, and use the ideas in these two blog posts to debug > and inspect its data structures"... but no, that didn't happen - I've > asked lots of technical questions here over the years and never got > detailed answers like that, only answers whose technical details _were > kept as short as possible_, and whose explanations were much closer to > "in English" than to "in Lisp". I recommend following up on the replies if you find them incomplete. There are no guarantees that exhaustive detailed replies will be given - they take a lot of time to write and are often not necessary. > A few days ago I added subtitles to my video about "Org for > Non-Users". The links are here, > > http://angg.twu.net/2021-org-for-non-users.html > > and some people will prefer to just read this: > > http://angg.twu.net/eev-videos/2021-org-for-non-users.vtt > http://angg.twu.net/SUBTITLES/2021-org-for-non-users.lua.html > > It explains with examples how a "non-user" thinks, and it shows what I > mean by "explanations in Lisp". I get it, but you cannot force me to reply like this. I simply do not think this way - when I try to reply to questions on ML, I do it the way I can. I cannot adapt the explanation style that is foreign to me. If you find something in mine (or other's) replies not clear, just ask to clarify. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at