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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.38 X-Spam-Score: -9.38 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C524851A39 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: jBi+QeNtSU84 Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas writes: > [...] I am very interested in all possible improvements in babel so that > it integrates as best as possible with automatically generated files. > Among them are the possibility of using BCP47 codes or using a language > (at least basically) without the need for a prior declaration. These are > things already done, but there are others that can still be improved. Do I understand correctly that babel, in future, may be able to auto-detect more languages without explicitly declaring them? > [...] any suggestion for improvement is very welcome [...] This is a bit too out of context. Improvement of what? > Among the things I agree on is name issue. I am unifying the dice in the > CLDR as much as possible, and already, in fact, it is very advanced: > > https://latex3.github.io/babel/guides/locale-naming.html AFAIU, the relevant quote is They are taken from the CLDR. Wherever the CLDR doesn=E2=80=99t provide= a name (eg, =E2=80=9CMedieval Latin=E2=80=9D), the pattern followed in practic= e for other names is applied, namely, use the =E2=80=98natural=E2=80=99 form in English: = medievallatin. They should be preferably based on the description field in the IANA registry (eg, polytonicgreek), although some simplifications can be necessary, because some names are =E2=80=9Ctoo=E2=80=9D descriptive. Se= e also the templates for about 500 locales already available. As a secondary source, Glottolog is used, too. (Wikipedia articles can be taken as a complementary but unreliable source, and its information must be verified; on the other hand, internal data, like this one, is useful for both names and tags.) I am not very sure about "some simplifications" referring to IANA. I guess it is referring to language names in https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-r= egistry like "Puter idiom of Romansh". >From Org perspective, verbosity is not a primary concern as long as we provide #+language: completion support. Probably, we should favor names that are more likely known (or can be easily found) by the language users. IANA and https://glottolog.org/ look like good sources we can link to. We can also provide multiple language name variants though I don't see a need to bother unless we get user requests to do such thing. > The ini files contain information that is not actually used by babel, > but that could be useful in other packages or even external > applications. One of them is the name of the language in English and in > the vernacular form, as they are in the Unicode CLDR. As I explain in > the link I gave you, the purpose is that the babel name is based on the > CLDR name with mechanical changes. Anyway, CLDR names are also included > in the ini files, to establish correspondences more easily. Are the "verbose" language names (name.english) changed to "simplify" them? Or is it only done for name.babel? --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at